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Bruce

While I certainly disagree with Bruce on many things, as most of us do, I will have to say that I completely agree with him about including ALL songs and ALL albums when calculating artists lists. What he said about the Rolling Stones and the Beatles, and about The Rolling Stones and the Yardbirds,...

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Henrik wrote:
Bruce wrote: never listened to Radiohead,

Yes I have. Did you forget my review of the OK Computer album right here in the forums

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Here's the song count from Steve Sullivan's book" The first two Crosby songs are ranked in his top 100 of all time. Brother, Can You Spare a Dime? (Oct. 25, 1932) - Bing Crosby WHITE CHRISTMAS (OCT. 3, 1942) - BING CROSBY Silent Night, Holy Night (Nov. 13, 1935) - Bing Crosby Pennies from Heave...

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Bruce, I'm just curious, are you aware of any artists lists from critics with Bing Crosby ahead of Sex Pistols? I'm not trying to prove anything. Yes. http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artistspop.html 4. Bing Crosby (not ranked) - Sex Pistols Way to give us a list that you fucking made. How ab...

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See my post above that says:

I'm not aware of ANY critics who have ever made an all time list of artists which includes all types of music from all eras.

Do you also think that the Sex Pistols are more acclaimed than Beethoven?

I don't see Ludwig on any critic's lists.

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Bruce, I'm just curious, are you aware of any artists lists from critics with Bing Crosby ahead of Sex Pistols? I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm not aware of ANY critics who have ever made an all time list of artists which includes all types of music from all eras. If you consider Steve Sulliv...

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Bruce, I'm just curious, are you aware of any artists lists from critics with Bing Crosby ahead of Sex Pistols? I'm not trying to prove anything. Yes. http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artistspop.html 4. Bing Crosby (not ranked) - Sex Pistols Are you implying that all your top 100 songs by yea...

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All this talk of influence, sales, and popularity is really off topic. This is a website devoted to critical acclaim. All that matters is whether music critics like the Sex Pistols more than Bing Crosby, not who sold more or who appears more on a google search. That would be true if there had been ...

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SEARCH RESULTS "Bing Crosby" over 43 million results "Sex Pistols" over 7,800,000 results You're not even doing it right. You can't just search Bing Crosby because it will eventually start giving results for both "Bing" and "Crosby" with no mention of the oth...

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Henrik wrote:Bruce, I'm just curious, are you aware of any artists lists from critics with Bing Crosby ahead of Sex Pistols? I'm not trying to prove anything.

Yes.

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artistspop.html

4. Bing Crosby
(not ranked) - Sex Pistols

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SEARCH RESULTS

"Bing Crosby" over 43 million results
"Sex Pistols" over 7,800,000 results

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BleuPanda wrote:
I honestly don't know what reality you live in where Bing Crosby has left a bigger legacy than Sex Pistols. This is 2014, correct?

Quite the opposite. Crosby is an all time legend. "White Christmas" alone makes him much more significant than the Sex Pistols entire career.

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Crosby was one of the first singers to exploit the intimacy of the microphone, rather than using the deep, loud "vaudeville style" associated with Al Jolson and others. Crosby's love and appreciation of jazz music helped bring the genre to a wider mainstream audience. Within the framework ...

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What if instead of using the songs and album lists to create a greatest artist list Henrik started an artist ranking based only on artist lists from critics and industry people. Yes, what if? Bing Crosby would be ahead of Sex Pistols? My decision to use only the 6 most acclaimed albums and songs, w...

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According to Wikipedia there are 148 recorded Radiohead songs. I count 89 songs on the 8 studio albums. Are you saying that they have 59 other songs that are either only on singles or other places without including live versions of studio songs? Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying...seriously, it t...

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Very few people who prefer Rolling Stones over Beatles, do this because Rolling Stones continued after their peak. Bruce, please let me know if you disagree with this. This is also an isolated case of two acts who don't sound very similar. Many people who like the Stones better than the Beatles do ...

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BleuPanda wrote:According to Wikipedia there are 148 recorded Radiohead songs.

I count 89 songs on the 8 studio albums.

Are you saying that they have 59 other songs that are either only on singles or other places without including live versions of studio songs?

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Very few people who prefer Rolling Stones over Beatles, do this because Rolling Stones continued after their peak. Bruce, please let me know if you disagree with this. The Rolling Stones peak lasted at least twice as long as the Beatles peak did. The Beatles peak was probably 1963 to 1969, 7 years....

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Nassim wrote:
The sheer fact that he increased the number of albums and songs taken into account to 15 is a proof that he thinks longevity matters.

The fact that the first item is weighted 15 times as much as the 15th item is proof that he doesn't.

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Bruce - While I am no fan of Waits and only enjoy Zappa and Patti in small doses, I suspect that your view that these acts are "disgustingly" overrated is of little consequence to the rest of us. If that was true then people here would not get so upset when I voice these kinds of opinions...

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Henry wrote: I wonder if you have heard Smith's song "Because the Night" (ranked at 432).

Of course. It was a huge hit and is the only passable thing she ever did. That's because she did not write the song and the writer (Springsteen) came up with a very catchy hook.

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Romain wrote: YOU... YOU... YOU...

I never would have thought that you were an Ames Brothers fan.

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Romain wrote: The guy who don't admit music can be listenable after 1977 ?

It's 1987.

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Nick wrote: Tom Waits or Frank Zappa or Patti Smith.

Three disgustingly overrated artists that only appeal to a miniscule demographic.

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What if instead of using the songs and album lists to create a greatest artist list Henrik started an artist ranking based only on artist lists from critics and industry people. Out of curiosity, what is the problem with judging an artist based on the work they create... I have no problem with inco...

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BleuPanda wrote:According to Wikipedia there are 148 recorded Radiohead songs.

That's counting live versions of songs already released as studio versions.

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Popularity and wide appeal have nothing to do with the quality of a work of art. If anything, it can ultimately be indicative of something dumbed down to appeal to a less sophisticated mass audience. What makes you think that what you term "a less sophisticated" audience would have less i...

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What if instead of using the songs and album lists to create a greatest artist list Henrik started an artist ranking based only on artist lists from critics and industry people.

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So what is it about Radiohead's 20 year career that you take issue with, The fact that in 20 years they have not even managed to release 100 different studio songs yet. The fact that their music is only of interest to a relatively small demographic. The fact that they have not had massive hits the ...

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How many songs did Buddy Holly record by the way ? If you count everything that has been released it's well over 100, but no way should he be in the top 5 either. Not prolific enough, even though the cause of that was his death. He was exceeedingly prolific in the short amount of time that he was r...

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How many songs did Buddy Holly record by the way ? If you count everything that has been released it's well over 100, but no way should he be in the top 5 either. Not prolific enough, even though the cause of that was his death. He was exceeedingly prolific in the short amount of time that he was r...

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On the Drifters page "Honey Love" is listed with the ranked songs but it should be below with the bubbling under songs.

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69.Got My Mojo Working (1956) - Muddy Waters 70.Let’s Work Together (1970) - Canned Heat 121.Love on a Two-Way Street (2013) - Boz Scaggs (by the Moments in 1970) The Muddy Waters is 1957 and the Canned Heat is 1969. "Love On A Two Way Street" was done originally by Lezli Valentine in 196...

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stevejazz wrote:Etta James is the queen of this chart at #1 with “At Last,” and she turns up with other successes, but her second most familiar song, “Tell Mama,” has never charted.

Neither of these is blues. "Tell Mama" is soul and "At Last" is pop or R&B but certainly not blues.

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This statistical model produces these results; as Henrik explains in the preface the lists are not definitive and never can be. Some time ago, Bruce objected to the inherent legitimacy of music industry critics (or criticism / critique) and suggested that the opinions of studied individuals might b...

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By the way, occasionally the site turns me on to a good record I did not know before. This just happened with "Easy Snappin'" by Theo Beckford from 1959. It clearly took its beat from "No More Doggin'" by Rosco Gordon. Speaking of records that had a huge influence on reggae, I'm ...

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BleuPanda wrote:Other people who have experienced the impact of a single outstanding work feel otherwise.

Are you saying that I have never experienced the impact of a single outstanding work?

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I think Usain Bolt is the greatest athlete of all time. The time that has passed since his world records and the length of his career are irrelevant. Let's see if he can do it again like Carl Lewis did over several olympics. World records get broken because conditions and equiptment and diets and t...

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I think Usain Bolt is the greatest athlete of all time. The time that has passed since his world records and the length of his career are irrelevant. Bolt is only great at one thing, sprinting. Why would you see him as a better athlete than guys like Jim Thorpe and Jesse Owens, and Carl Lewis, who ...

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Henrik wrote:I think Usain Bolt is the greatest athlete of all time. The time that has passed since his world records and the length of his career are irrelevant.

Then why do you see the time that has passed in evaluating records as relevant?

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Why is 20 years not enough time? Presley's career lasted only 24 (and he did very little in those final four to improve his musical rank). It's not a question of how much time, it's a question of how much quality material did the act release. An act that has only released less than 100 studio songs...

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The issue of putting a 5 year limit is it limits diversity, When they list the all time leaders in batting average in baseball there is a minimum number of at bats for a player to qualify. Same thing for field goal percentage in basketball and quarterback rating in football. People could still look...

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The issue of putting a 5 year limit is it limits diversity, When they list the all time leaders in batting average in baseball there is a minimum number of at bats for a player to qualify. Same thing for field goal percentage in basketball and quarterback rating in football. People could still look...

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Let me just say that it's interesting to debate these topics, but that's not to say that I don't really appreciate all of Henrik's work here because I do.

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If AM would show what albums have best stood the test of time, then what about albums that were used to be seen as they stood the test of the time well, but nowadays less so? Should such albums still be higher than albums that are highly acclaimed, but have only been judged for a couple of years? T...

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And like even if 2010-2013 releases are kind of high, they're still nothing compared to the 60s or 70s releases. I think this site has a really good balance. Pre 1960s releases are criminally unrepresented. There's only 75 songs from the 1930s in the top 6000. Do you really think the 1930s only had...

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Eh, I don't know if he needs to include EOY lists, but the fact he mentions including a list from 1952 in his breakdown of sources reveals the flaws. He's literally incorporating a list created over 60 years ago for a medium that was only really around at that point for 37 years (if going from Birt...

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I happen to come to these sites to see what are the most critically acclaimed, important, or just biggest works in a particular medium, aka the ones that have stood the test of time. This is where we differ, Jimmy. Rather than aiming to present what albums have stood the test of the time, I aim to ...

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You can make a good argument to not even include anything on an all time list until it has been around for at least 5 years, or maybe even 10 years. This is why the baseball hall of fame does not vote on a player's candidacy until they have been retired for 5 years. It takes time for historical pers...

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Listyguy wrote:
Bruce wrote: What he should do is ask me how to compile the artist rankings more fairly, without his own prejudice against long careers affecting things.
Because you aren't prejudiced against anything, right?

Not when it comes to math.

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