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The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full list

Postby Nassim » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:01 pm

Hi Guys !

Before going to our top 20, let's browse our top 500 :

In italic : bands with only 1 vote.
In bold : bands that made our top 100 in 2010 (rank between brackets)

498 - 402

498 : At the Drive-In
498 : The Beat
498 : Cara Dillon
498 : The Dominoes
498 : Gore Gore Girls
498 : MC5
497 : Harptones
491 : Andy Stott
491 : Ben E. King
491 : Huey "Piano" Smith and the Clowns
491 : Ike & Tina Turner
491 : New York Dolls
491 : Sound
490 : Dead Can Dance
489 : !!!
488 : The Psychedelic Furs
483 : 10 cc
483 : The Animals
483 : Faith No More
483 : The Jayhawks
483 : Sticks McGhee
482 : Mogwai
481 : Jimmy Reed
475 : Al Stewart
475 : Carole King
475 : Les Fatals Picards
475 : Plaid
475 : Radio Futura
475 : Sonny Boy Williamson II (Rice Miller)
474 : Deep Purple
473 : Journey
472 : Band Of Horses
465 : Ben Harper
465 : The Damned
465 : Fiona Apple
465 : Gary Numan/Tubeway Army
465 : Kitchens of Distinction
465 : Lucinda Williams
465 : Polaris
464 : Robyn
461 : Kim Wilde
461 : Orelsan
461 : Tina Turner
460 : Chico Buarque
459 : Rubén Bladés
458 : Nat King Cole
457 : Ruth Brown
456 : Sixto Rodriguez
455 : Noir désir
450 : Alain Bashung
450 : Bat for Lashes
450 : Betty Davis
450 : Dido
450 : Joe Satriani
449 : The Streets
448 : Faust
447 : Busta Rhymes
446 : Little Walter
445 : Bob Seger
444 : Jerry Butler
439 : Joaquín Sabina
439 : Michael W. Smith
439 : Millencolin
439 : Miossec
439 : The Watersons
438 : Gene Vincent & Blue Caps
437 : Townes Van Zandt
436 : Violent Femmes
434 : Os Mutantes
434 : Ventures
433 : Orchestra Baobab
432 : Marc Cohn
431 : Crosby, Stills, Nash (& Young)
430 : Bonnie Raitt
429 : Jefferson Airplane
428 : Staple Singers
421 : Counting Crows
421 : Hooverphonic
421 : Human League
421 : John Cale
421 : The Kaiser Chiefs
421 : Sun Ra
421 : Vainica Doble
420 : Iron Maiden
419 : The Cramps
418 : The Pogues
417 : Boston
416 : Def Leppard
415 : Dave Brubeck
414 : The Moonglows
411 : The Chills
411 : Cold
411 : Manu Chao
410 : Antonio Carlos Jobim
409 : Aphex Twin
408 : Television
407 : Caetano Veloso
406 : The Guess Who
405 : Antony & The Johnsons
404 : Tortoise
403 : Eddie Cochran
402 : 2Pac

397 - 301

397 : Bad Religion
397 : Disco Inferno
397 : Las Ultrasónicas
397 : Snoop Dogg
397 : Within Temptation
396 : X Ray Spex
395 : Iggy Pop
394 : Wilson Pickett
391 : The Brian Jonestown Massacre
391 : Tarwater
391 : Teenage Fanclub
390 : N.W.A.
389 : The Dells
386 : Café Tacvba
386 : Dan Deacon
386 : The Pains of Being Pure at Heart
385 : Louis Jordan
384 : This Heat
383 : Keith Jarrett
382 : Apples In Stereo
380 : Franco Battiato
380 : Quiero Club
379 : Tears For Fears
378 : Fever Ray
377 : Grateful Dead
376 : Santana
375 : The Lilys
374 : Whitney Houston
373 : The XX
372 : Jethro Tull
371 : Prefab Sprout
370 : Bill Haley and His Comets
366 : Charlie Parker
366 : Joe Jackson
366 : Robins
366 : Tilly and The Wall
365 : The Chemical Brothers
364 : Blue Oyster Cult
363 : Franz Ferdinand
362 : Ry Cooder
361 : Morrissey
360 : The Spaniels
355 : Bootsy's Rubber Band
355 : Enigma
355 : IAM
355 : My Morning Jacket
355 : Utopia
354 : Nic Jones
353 : Jackson C. Frank
352 : George Michael
351 : The Coasters
350 : Rod Stewart
349 : Devo
346 : Bert Jansch
346 : Delerium
346 : M83
345 : Duran Duran
344 : The Isley Brothers
343 : John Lee Hooker
342 : Pere Ubu
341 : The Magnetic Fields
339 : Dinosaur Jr.
339 : Django Reinhardt
338 : Jeff Buckley
337 : Willie Nelson
334 : Martin Carthy
334 : Ol’ Dirty Bastard
334 : Wonderstuff
333 : Gil Scott-Heron
332 : Alan Parsons Project
331 : Boredoms
330 : Donovan
329 : Of Montreal
326 : Dick Annegarn
326 : Estopa
326 : Swell
325 : The Killers
324 : James Taylor
323 : Tim Buckley
322 : Supergrass
321 : Cat Power
319 : Annie Lennox
319 : The Verlaines
318 : Woody Guthrie
317 : The Flamingos
316 : Ornette Coleman
315 : Electric Light Orchestra
314 : The Orioles
313 : Billy Bragg
312 : Godspeed You! Black Emperor
311 : Rage against the Machine
308 : Igor Stravinsky
308 : Saint Etienne
308 : Steeleye Span
307 : The Moody Blues
306 : Wynonie Harris
305 : Lee Scratch Perry
304 : Janelle Monae
303 : Jackie Wilson
302 : Chicago
301 : June Tabor

300 - 201

300 : Ennio Morricone
299 : The Tallest Man on Earth
298 : Shonen Knife
297 : Notorious B.I.G.
296 : Yeah Yeah Yeahs
295 : Robert Johnson
293 : alt-J
293 : Ghostface Killah
292 : Dire Straits
291 : Marillion
288 : Annie
288 : The Decemberists
288 : Suzanne Vega
287 : Neu!
286 : The Four Tops
285 : Lynyrd Skynyrd
284 : Game Theory
283 : Grace Jones
282 : Tom Petty
279 : Evanescence
279 : The Housemartins
279 : Puppetmastaz
278 : Echo and The Bunnymen
277 : Janis Joplin
276 : Cesária Evora
275 : Jorge Ben
274 : The Avalanches
273 : Donna Summer
272 : Steve Reich
271 : Phillip Glass
270 : Beach House
269 : The Five Keys
268 : The Beta Band
267 : Joanna Newsom
263 : Hot Chip
263 : Kylie Minogue
263 : Rockdrigo González
263 : Soul Coughing
262 : Hank Ballard & Midnighters / Royals
261 : Air
260 : Richard & Linda Thompson
259 : Sinead 'O Connor
258 : Frank Ocean
255 : Dick Gaughan
255 : Smiley Lewis
255 : Trash can Sinatras
254 : Garbage
253 : Run-DMC
252 : Frank Zappa
251 : Big Star (56)
250 : Spoon
249 : Fugazi
248 : Tricky
247 : The Boo Radleys
246 : Elmore James
245 : The Black Keys
244 : The Cars
243 : Modest Mouse
242 : Cream
241 : The Pretenders
240 : Mercury Rev
239 : Five Royales
237 : The Primitives
237 : Style Council
236 : M.I.A
235 : De La Soul
234 : The Everly Brothers
233 : Randy Newman
232 : Love
231 : Burial
230 : Captain Beefheart
229 : Meat Puppets
228 : B.B. King
227 : Rebecca St. James
226 : Tori Amos
225 : Spiritualized
224 : Weezer
223 : Bobby "Blue" Bland
222 : The Jesus and Mary Chain
221 : Pet Shop Boys
220 : Carl Perkins
219 : Sarah McLachlan
218 : Arctic Monkeys
217 : Foo Fighters
216 : ABBA
215 : Primal Scream
211 : Camera Obscura
211 : dc Talk
211 : Joe Turner
211 : Nightwish
210 : The Fall
209 : The Roots
208 : Vampire Weekend
207 : The Allman Brothers Band
206 : Hüsker Dü
205 : Interpol
203 : Autechre
203 : Half Japanese
202 : Cat Stevens
201 : Green Day

200 - 101

200 : Super Furry Animals
199 : Talk Talk
198 : Leadbelly
197 : Manic Street Preachers
196 : Why?
195 : Scott Walker
194 : Guided By Voices
193 : T. Rex
192 : The Monkees
191 : Jerry Lee Lewis
190 : DJ Shadow
189 : Stereolab
188 : Arvo Pärt
187 : Ride
186 : Siousxie and The Banshees
185 : Newsboys
184 : The Clovers
183 : Thelonious Monk
182 : Moby
181 : A Tribe Called Quest
180 : The Bee Gees
179 : Robert Wyatt
178 : Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
177 : Swans
176 : The Minutemen
175 : Ella Fitzgerald
174 : Eric Clapton (95)
173 : Coldplay (77)
172 : Muse
171 : Todd Rundgren
170 : Janet Jackson
169 : Fleet Foxes
168 : Peter Gabriel
167 : Cocteau Twins
166 : Rush
165 : Animal Collective (99)
164 : Van Halen
163 : George Harrison
162 : The Sex Pistols
161 : Billy Joel (85)
160 : Bill Evans
159 : Georges Brassens
158 : XTC
157 : Yes
156 : Red Hot Chili Peppers
155 : Built to Spill
154 : Pulp (86)
153 : Howlin' Wolf
152 : Genesis
151 : Wire (93)
150 : AC/DC
149 : The Strokes (100)
148 : The Smashing Pumpkins (68)
147 : Eurythmics
146 : Jay-Z
145 : Guns n’ Roses (88)
144 : Divine Comedy
143 : Four Tet
142 : Yo la Tengo
141 : Boards of Canada
140 : Sleater-Kinney
139 : Metallica (92)
138 : The Stone Roses
137 : Fela Kuti
136 : The Police (91)
135 : Nine Inch Nails
134 : The Knife
133 : Queens of the Stone Age
132 : Muddy Waters
131 : The Eagles
130 : Lush
129 : Louis Armstrong
128 : Serge Gainsbourg
127 : Blondie
126 : Aerosmith
125 : The Byrds (70)
124 : The Supremes
123 : Roxy Music
122 : The Zombies
121 : The Band (76)
120 : Pearl Jam
119 : Duke Ellington
118 : Tindersticks
117 : Paul Simon (94)
116 : Sigur Rós
115 : Bo Diddley
114 : The Drifters
113 : Patti Smith
112 : The Jam
111 : Eminem
110 : Low
109 : King Crimson
108 : Can
107 : The Replacements (71)
106 : Wu-Tang Clan
105 : Frank Sinatra
104 : Sam Cooke
103 : Gorillaz (89)
102 : Fats Domino
101 : Roy Orbison

Some drops I expected, especially Animal Collective who released a disappointing album and lost the hype they had in 2010. Some others like the Byrds and the Band came as much a bigger surprise. And what a drop for Big Star, only in 4 ballots this time.

100 - 21 (previous rank in bold) :

100 : Belle & Sebastian (43)
99 : Paul McCartney (58)
98 : Billie Holiday (294)
97 : Flaming Lips (97)
96 : TV on the Radio (80)
95 : Al Green (123)
94 : Nina Simone (NR)
93 : Daft Punk (122)
92 : Elliott Smith (39)
91 : Pavement (33)
90 : Blur (24)
89 : Depeche Mode (61)
88 : Lou Reed (64)
87 : Buddy Holly & Crickets (137)
86 : My Bloody Valentine (96)
85 : Parliament/Funkadelic (98)
84 : New Order (84)
83 : Wilco (67)
82 : Jacques Brel (109)
81 : Steely Dan (57)
80 : Beck (31)
79 : The Temptations (144)
78 : Hank Williams (131)
77 : Oasis (34)
76 : Kate Bush (129)
75 : Massive Attack (62)
74 : LCD Soundsystem (44)
73 : Brian Eno (81)
72 : The National (79)
71 : Elton John (82)
70 : Charles Mingus (165)
69 : Curtis Mayfield & Impressions (103)
68 : Fleetwood Mac (114)
67 : Ramones (59)
66 : Aretha Franklin (90)
65 : Black Sabbath (101)
64 : Nick Drake (55)
63 : The Stooges (63)
62 : John Lennon (50)
61 : Sonic Youth (46)
60 : Otis Redding (75)
59 : Little Richard (155)
58 : Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds (143)
57 : Sufjan Stevens (69)
56 : Sly & The Family Stone (83)
55 : Joni Mitchell (60)
54 : Queen (53)
53 : Portishead (74)
52 : The Doors (32)
51 : Ray Charles (142)
50 : The White Stripes (52)
49 : Outkast (48)
48 : Van Morrison (40)
47 : Chuck Berry (78)
46 : Public Enemy (54)
45 : Joy Division (33)
44 : Beastie Boys (47)
43 : The Talking Heads (22)
42 : Madonna (72)
41 : Simon & Garfunkel (28)
40 : Leonard Cohen (65)
39 : PJ Harvey (66)
38 : Kraftwerk (73)
37 : Michael Jackson (26)
36 : John Coltrane (87)
35 : Johnny Cash (45)
34 : Elvis Costello (25)
33 : Creedence Clearwater Revival (36)
32 : James Brown (51)
31 : Kanye West (118)
30 : The Kinks (18)
29 : Pixies (23)
28 : Bob Marley and The Wailers (29)
27 : Miles Davis (49)
26 : The Cure (27)
25 : Björk (41)
24 : Arcade Fire (30)
23 : Marvin Gaye (38)
22 : U2 (13)
21 : Tom Waits (42)

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Bruce » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:29 pm

Looks like 18 of the top 20 were there last time. Only U2 and the Kinks are listed as having dropped out of the top 20. Whoever was #21 last time is now in the top 20 along with one other new act in the top 20. Looks like the other act was #29 last time.

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Hymie » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:55 pm

Good job with the countdown so far, although the list is too modern and too white guitar oriented rock band for my tastes.

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Nick » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:18 pm

Ohhhh man, Big Star's drop sure is disappointing. So sad to see them totally drop from number 56 to not even in the top 250.

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Postby Brad » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:20 pm

Nick wrote:Ohhhh man, Big Star's drop sure is disappointing. So sad to see them totally drop from number 56 to not even in the top 250.
Wasn't my fault! (#21)

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Bruce » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:22 pm

Nick wrote:Ohhhh man, Big Star's drop sure is disappointing. So sad to see them totally drop from number 56 to not even in the top 250.


They're still way too high. No way they should be higher than legends like the Four Tops and Jackie Wilson.

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby PlasticRam » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:33 pm

Bruce wrote:
Nick wrote:Ohhhh man, Big Star's drop sure is disappointing. So sad to see them totally drop from number 56 to not even in the top 250.


They're still way too high. No way they should be higher than legends like the Four Tops and Jackie Wilson.

:facepalm:
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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Nick » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:34 pm

Bruce wrote:
Nick wrote:Ohhhh man, Big Star's drop sure is disappointing. So sad to see them totally drop from number 56 to not even in the top 250.


They're still way too high. No way they should be higher than legends like the Four Tops and Jackie Wilson.


Big Star are certainly legends in their own right, just in a different way than the Four Tops or Jackie Wilson might be considered legends.

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Bruce » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:49 pm

Nick wrote:
Bruce wrote:
Nick wrote:Ohhhh man, Big Star's drop sure is disappointing. So sad to see them totally drop from number 56 to not even in the top 250.


They're still way too high. No way they should be higher than legends like the Four Tops and Jackie Wilson.


Big Star are certainly legends in their own right, just in a different way than the Four Tops or Jackie Wilson might be considered legends.


Most rock fans cannot even name one song by Big Star. They have cult status at best. They never had a chart single or a chart album. Even I can only name one song by them, and I was in high school when they were current. I never even heard of them until recent years when I came on to sites like this one and RYM. The general public never heard of them.

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Nick » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:56 pm

Bruce wrote:
Most rock fans cannot even name one song by Big Star. They have cult status at best. They never had a chart single or a chart album. Even I can only name one song by them, and I was in high school when they were current. I never even heard of them until recent years when I came on to sites like this one and RYM. The general public never heard of them.


A cult legend is still a legend. But that's beside the point. The people who voted for Big Star over someone like the Four Tops did so because they genuinely love the music of Big Star more than the music of the Four Tops. Remember, this list isn't a list of the "most influential" artists or the most "legendary" artists, it's just a list of the artists whose music the people on this forum love to listen to. Nothing more, nothing less.

So when the top 20 artists get posted and you see that Radiohead beat out Elvis Presley (which will almost certainly happen), it's not because anyone here believes that Radiohead is a bigger "icon" than Elvis or more of a "legend" or more "influential" or sold more records, it's only because the majority of people here prefer Radiohead's music to Elvis's.

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Bruce » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:12 pm

Nick wrote:A cult legend is still a legend.


But only among a tiny percentage of all music fans.

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Dan » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:19 pm

Bruce wrote:No way [Big Star] should be higher than legends like the Four Tops and Jackie Wilson.


For once I totally agree with the man.

Looking forward to the top 20 and individual lists.
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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Brad » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:25 pm

...so I should have lied about my tastes and not had them at #21? Maybe I misunderstood the point of this poll.

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Postby Listyguy » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:32 pm

WHY ARE THE SMASHING PUMPKINS SO LOW THIS IS NOT OK!!!

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby pauldrach » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:40 pm

It's cause they suck of course.

WHY HAVEN'T I VOTED FOR ELLINGTON GODDAMN THIS IS NOT OK!!!!111!!!

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Postby pauldrach » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:46 pm

Surprised by some of the results like:

- numerous doo wop groups receiving multiple votes, not just the obligatory one from Bruce
- some semi-obscure British folk guys (Nic Jones, Jackson C. Frank) receiving multiple votes, not just the one from me
- Nightwish and Evanescence apparently received top ten votes, which I really wouldn't have expected on here
- a few other things I've forgotten about by now

All in all this is an amazingly eclectic and colorful list. I love it.

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Postby Listyguy » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:48 pm

pauldrach wrote:- some semi-obscure British folk guys (Nic Jones, Jackson C. Frank) receiving multiple votes, not just the one from me

I vote for Jones. He was somewhere in the 80s or 90s on my list.

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby PlasticRam » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:49 pm

I'm from freaking Finland and I didn't vote for Nightwish...

I guess the opera singer was okay, but I don't like the new singer.
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Postby Dan » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:52 pm

Brad wrote:...so I should have lied about my tastes and not had them at #21? Maybe I misunderstood the point of this poll.


Not sure who this was aimed at, but I made my comment because I didn't feel like another PABT (People Against Bruce Thread)... not when he's merely voicing an inoffensive opinion.

pauldrach wrote:WHY HAVEN'T I VOTED FOR ELLINGTON GODDAMN THIS IS NOT OK!!!!111!!!


No, it's not OK. :mrgreen:
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Postby jamieW » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:56 pm

pauldrach wrote:Surprised by some of the results like:

- Nightwish and Evanescence apparently received top ten votes, which I really wouldn't have expected on here




Guilty. I don't know why I love this genre of music, but I do (despite the fact that most critics loathe it). And, as Brad said a few posts back, I'll never lie about my taste, so here they are. While I can definitely see how the mainstream aspect of Evanescence negatively affects them, I do think there's something unique and special about a lot of Nightwish's music.

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Harold » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:59 pm

pauldrach wrote:Surprised by some of the results like:
- Nightwish and Evanescence apparently received top ten votes, which I really wouldn't have expected on here


Bruce is full of surprises, isn't he?

By the way, Jackson C. Frank is actually American, although he did record (and seems to be better known) in the U.K.

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Postby Brad » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:05 pm

Dan wrote:Not sure who this was aimed at, but I made my comment because I didn't feel like another PABT (People Against Bruce Thread)... not when he's merely voicing an inoffensive opinion.
just me being preemptively defensive about my picks - no problem. waiting for the inevitable "pavementsuckshowcantheybesomeone'sfavoritebandthey'rejustsonicyouthpixiesripoffsandbadatthat" discussion.

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Postby pauldrach » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:17 pm

Harold wrote:By the way, Jackson C. Frank is actually American, although he did record (and seems to be better known) in the U.K.

Yeah, I know, but he never really did a lot in America apart from being born and dying there. He recorded his lone album in England, "Blues Run the Game" became a British follk staple and generally he had more influence on British than on American folk (except for Simon & Garfunkel maybe but they drew from a lot of British influences anyway due to Simon living there for about two years in the mid-60s), which is why I usually tend to lump Frank together with the Britons.

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Postby Poliuks » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:28 pm

I wonder if AnCo will ever return to AMF's top 100. Personally I voted for them mostly because of their pre-MPP efforts (Strawberry Jam in particular). Already noticed some artists missing from my list (how the hell could I forget Marvin?!), but that's exactly what happens when you're too lazy to constantly maintain a list and just rush with what comes to your mind. Personally and objectively very good results (well, wouldn't mind Björk losing some spots, but that's only my personal bias). For me one of the biggest surprises is Elvis in top 20 - I've never noticed much love for the King here.

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby nicolas » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:35 pm

I thimk this poll is very eclectic. And that's good! It is less indie oriented that before and popular acts side with cult bands.

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Brad » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:37 pm

I'm surprised at Zappa so low (#252). I assumed there were some freaks on these boards that would help his cause. Beefheart actually fared a little better, at #230. (I mean "freaks" in a positive sense, of course)

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Nassim » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:39 pm

Bruce wrote:Most rock fans cannot even name one song by Big Star. They have cult status at best. They never had a chart single or a chart album. Even I can only name one song by them, and I was in high school when they were current. I never even heard of them until recent years when I came on to sites like this one and RYM. The general public never heard of them.


I'm always surprised how you define "most rock fans" by "people of your age with similar musical background and opinion". People I know who would consider themselves "rock fans" (let's take only the ones with a broad record collection, who have read lots of books on the topic and talk avidly about music) could very likely name several Big Star songs, a couple by the Four Tops and none by Jackie Wilson. Would I then consider that's what "most rock fans" would do ? No...

pauldrach wrote:Surprised by some of the results like:

- numerous doo wop groups receiving multiple votes, not just the obligatory one from Bruce.


They usually only have 2 votes, Bruce's and Hymie's. Hymie actually is the only person with more than 17 names in common with Bruce, with 55.
I haven't checked who got the most votes in common yet by the way. The lowest I have found so far is Moonbeam/Bruce and myself/Bruce with only 1 artist in common in our top 100, and the highest is Nick with Mattceinicram with 75. But as I said, I haven't checked every couple yet.
I guess you start knowing who you got the most tastes in common anyway (for me its 32 artists in common with kingoftonga and Nick... I would have bet on Slick and Maximumbeef though ^^ )

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Postby Nassim » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:44 pm

Brad wrote:I'm surprised at Zappa so low (#252). I assumed there were some freaks on these boards that would help his cause. Beefheart actually fared a little better, at #230. (I mean "freaks" in a positive sense, of course)


Without Jonah's vote he hasn't get much support (only 5 votes, nothing higher than #42. With Jonah's #1 spot he would have ended somewhere around 125.
He and Beefheart were the last AM top 100 members to receive their first vote (in Blanco's ballot) but Primal Scream is actually the top 100 AM band who have received the less votes.

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Postby JimmyJazz » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:53 pm

I have to say that, being a big jazz fan, I am quite pleased by the genre's performance on this poll. Besides the ones in the Top 100 (including Miles in the Top 30 and Trane in the Top 50!), you have both Ellington and Satchmo just bubbling under! I feel a little sad that I'm the only one who voted for Bird, but I'm obviously not the only AMFer who was in that kind of position! Elvis in the Top 20 is pretty interesting. When it comes to legendary 50s acts, I'm much more of a Chuck Berry and Ray Charles kind of guy. Overall, wonderful list that everyone has helped to create!

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Postby Bruce » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:57 pm

Nassim wrote:
Bruce wrote:Most rock fans cannot even name one song by Big Star. They have cult status at best. They never had a chart single or a chart album. Even I can only name one song by them, and I was in high school when they were current. I never even heard of them until recent years when I came on to sites like this one and RYM. The general public never heard of them.


I'm always surprised how you define "most rock fans" by "people of your age with similar musical background and opinion". People I know who would consider themselves "rock fans" (let's take only the ones with a broad record collection, who have read lots of books on the topic and talk avidly about music) could very likely name several Big Star songs, a couple by the Four Tops and none by Jackie Wilson. Would I then consider that's what "most rock fans" would do ? No...


I don't at all mean people my age with similar musical background. I'm talking about mainstream rock fans, not people who have read lots of books on the subject and have a broad record collection. Rock fans of all ages from 10 to 100 would definitely be more familiar with acts like Jackie Wilson and the Four Tops, who each had a bunch of big hit records, as opposed to Big Star who never had a hit record. You may think I'm ancient at 56 years old, but most of my music friends are between 65 and 75 years old. Most of them have never heard of Big Star, but could easily name a dozen or more songs by the Four Tops and Jackie Wilson. I've never in my life heard a Big Star record on the radio, but I've heard both Jackie Wilson and the Four Tops on the radio thousands of times.

Maybe it's different outside of the USA.

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Postby Gillingham » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:58 pm

I really like the list so far. It's very varied. Great presentation also.
Let's see about the last 20.

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Postby JimmyJazz » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:34 am

Anyone want to do predictions of the order of the Top 20?

I say it will be (using initials):

1. B
2. RS
3. BD
4. DB
5. Ra
6. P
7. VU
8. BB
9. BS
10. JH
11. SW
12. W
13. LZ
14. S
15. Re
16. PF
17. N
18. C
19. NY
20. EP

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Postby Nick » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:43 am

1. TB
2. R
3. BD
4. TRS
5. DB
6. P
7. VU
8. BS
9. BB
10. JH
11. NY
12. SW
13. LZ
14. Re
15. EP
16. TW
17. TC
18. TS
19. PF
20. N

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Postby DocBrown » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:14 am

Bruce wrote:
Nassim wrote:
Bruce wrote:Most rock fans cannot even name one song by Big Star. They have cult status at best. They never had a chart single or a chart album. Even I can only name one song by them, and I was in high school when they were current. I never even heard of them until recent years when I came on to sites like this one and RYM. The general public never heard of them.
I don't at all mean people my age with similar musical background. I'm talking about mainstream rock fans, not people who have read lots of books on the subject and have a broad record collection. Rock fans of all ages from 10 to 100 would definitely be more familiar with acts like Jackie Wilson and the Four Tops, who each had a bunch of big hit records, as opposed to Big Star who never had a hit record. You may think I'm ancient at 56 years old, but most of my music friends are between 65 and 75 years old. Most of them have never heard of Big Star, but could easily name a dozen or more songs by the Four Tops and Jackie Wilson. I've never in my life heard a Big Star record on the radio, but I've heard both Jackie Wilson and the Four Tops on the radio thousands of times.

Maybe it's different outside of the USA.


I think the reason you seem to polarize opinion, Bruce, is your insistence on over-generalization. I'm your age (54) grew up twelve miles outside of Buffalo, N.Y., on a diet of Soul Train and Casey Kacem (sp.?) and I can't name one song by Jackie Wilson, and have blessedly forgotten the Four Tops (thank you, early dementia), but I own four albums by Big Star. Your musical knowledge is undoubtedly very deep, but very narrow, and while I appreciate the depth of knowledge you possess of pre-1970 American soul, R&B and very early rock and roll, I also appreciate the knowledge brought to this forum by so many others whose interests lie in other areas. The greatest thing about these forums is the opportunity to explore new areas, something which you often appear to be unwilling to do.

Having said that, I've been lurking on your current thread, trying to find something I can take way from your perspective, and so far the music hasn't moved me (just not the language I speak). What I have drawn away though, is that I, too, remember when DJ's and liner notes were a place for the casual music fan to learn more about their favourite artists. I miss liner notes, and DJ's annoy me so much ( IT"S CRASH AND MARS IN THE MORNING!!!!) I almost never listen to broadcast radio. So knowledgeable fans on the internet may have taken over for the "experts" of our youth and thank you, Bruce, for being that knowledgeable fan. Now lighten up and appreciate the different (not wrong, not right) tastes of others.

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Postby Kingoftonga » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:21 am

I think I might like 150-101 better than 100-50. Can and the Wu-Tang Clan were robbed! :D

Mildly surprised by Arcade Fire's high placement. I thought their stock had declined somewhat after The Suburbs, which I liked at the time, but I never feel compelled to revisit. I wouldn't have expected them to climb even higher.

Looking forward to the top 20. It's been a great roll-out so far.

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Postby luvulongTIM » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:25 am

Brad wrote:
Dan wrote:Not sure who this was aimed at, but I made my comment because I didn't feel like another PABT (People Against Bruce Thread)... not when he's merely voicing an inoffensive opinion.
just me being preemptively defensive about my picks - no problem. waiting for the inevitable "pavementsuckshowcantheybesomeone'sfavoritebandthey'rejustsonicyouthpixiesripoffsandbadatthat" discussion.


Hey hey hey! I didn't bring that up at all during the entire poll. Ripoffs? sort but what I always say is they're always blasphemously CLUMPED with Sonic Youth and Pixies. They'd sound like Sonic Youth if they hired Ben Stein to be their lead singer is what I usually say. I'm being perfectly pleasant especially after seeing how ridiculously and horrifically high Tom Waits rose in this particular poll where as all the cool kids all of a sudden gave up on Belle and Sebastian and people think they scored too high and shouldn't even be placed at #100. Why? Because somebody said their stuff from the 00s doesn't come close to comparing to their classics from the 90s when even Stuart himself said Arab Strap is probably his least favorite album they made. You put Tigermilk and Arab Strap up against Life Pursuit and Dear Catastrophe Waitress and see which stands out and you'll see just how far they've come and how they've evolved which is what I THOUGHT people wanted. It's why no other TWEE band has ever touched them as far as success and popularity. Cobain may have endorsed a couple but none could ever harden librarian nippys the way B&S has :P And ep wish The Waking Up to Us EP from 2000 are 3 of their best songs plus you add Fought in a War and Woman's Realm from Fold Your Hands... and the title track from Storytelling and even' when they weren't quite building up a second wind (like in the mid 00s) they were still making some of the best music their career.
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Postby Bruce » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:32 am

DocBrown wrote:and have blessedly forgotten the Four Tops


I refuse to believe that you don't know these records:





And I also have trouble believing that you don't know this record:


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Postby Bruce » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:43 am

DocBrown wrote: I'm your age (54) grew up twelve miles outside of Buffalo, N.Y., on a diet of Soul Train and Casey Kacem (sp.?) and I can't name one song by Jackie Wilson, and have blessedly forgotten the Four Tops (thank you, early dementia), but I own four albums by Big Star.


Using you or me as an example is no good. I'm 2 years older than you and I cannot name one song by 30 or 40 of the acts in the top 100 here, but I can name over 100 songs by Fats Domino.

I'm talking about mainstream listeners here. I was a DJ for over 20 years and nobody ever requested a song by Big Star. I also managed a record store for over 20 years (1974-2005) and never had any customer ask for Big Star.

My 78 year old mother can name songs by Jackie Wilson and the Four Tops, but she never heard of Big Star. She bought records like "Sixty Minute man" by the Dominoes and "Lawdy Miss Clawdy" by Lloyd Price when they were current and she was in high school.

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Postby Brad » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:49 am

luvulongTIM wrote: all of a sudden gave up on Belle and Sebastian and people think they scored too high and shouldn't even be placed at #100.

You & I can certainly agree on that. We had the two highest placings for B&S in this poll.

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Postby Blanco » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:56 am

I'm kind of busy lately, so today I can not analyze fallacies. But hey, do not you feel a déjà vu?

Just remember not to feed the troll. As much as you point out the sky, he will not stop looking at the finger.

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Postby DocBrown » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:09 am

Bruce wrote: Using you or me as an example is no good.


My point exactly, although you seemed to miss that. I am not a "mainstream" listener. You are also not a "mainstream" listener, unless your market has a station stuck in a timewarp. If there is such a thing as a "mainstream" listener, his or her tastes are such a lowest common denominator that no one; you, me or your 78 year old mother would have the slightest interest in listening.

Sorry, Blanco, I pointed.

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Postby Bruce » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:23 am

DocBrown wrote:
Bruce wrote: Using you or me as an example is no good.


My point exactly, although you seemed to miss that. I am not a "mainstream" listener. You are also not a "mainstream" listener, unless your market has a station stuck in a timewarp.


The two most popular stations in my market (NYC) are WCBS-FM (oldies from the 60s to the 80s) and LITE-FM (mainstream pop/rock from the 60s through some recent things). Neither has ever played a record by Big Star.

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Postby luvulongTIM » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:27 am

Brad wrote:
luvulongTIM wrote: all of a sudden gave up on Belle and Sebastian and people think they scored too high and shouldn't even be placed at #100.

You & I can certainly agree on that. We had the two highest placings for B&S in this poll.


Yeah we're loyal to a fault :) And for once I WASN'T repetitive this time around. I said "cool kids" instead of that H word. You know animal eared hoodies, skinny jeans without socks, females with Deschanelesque bangs posing with umbrellas especially on album covers, Silverlake, Brooklyn ;)
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Postby Bruce » Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:23 am

DocBrown wrote:I'm your age (54) grew up twelve miles outside of Buffalo, N.Y., on a diet of Soul Train and Casey Kacem (sp.?) and I can't name one song by Jackie Wilson, and have blessedly forgotten the Four Tops (thank you, early dementia), but I own four albums by Big Star.


I'll be interested to see your personal list when they get posted. How many of your top 100 artists are white?

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Postby Jackson » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:34 am

Roxy Music and Serge Gainsbourg are probably the two I'm most surprised to see outside the top 100.

Roxy is the weirdest; if they had been listed as a top 50 artist I doubt anyone would have been surprised in the least. How do they not place ahead of, say, Lou Reed or Steely Dan?

Serge because he seems to consistently poll as an underrated forum favorite.

Some of the most interesting / surprising placements from the lower part of the list:

Lush (130): They are never talked about on this board, must have gotten multiple high votes
Four Tet (143): I like Four Tet a lot and I didn't even vote for him, this was a nice surprise.
Pulp (154): Seemed like a T100 shoo-in as well.
Love (232): Forever Changes has universal support here; seems like that should at least warrant placement around the Zombies in the 120s

Also agreed Zappa and Big Star are surprisingly low. The lower parts of the list make it even more clear how dispersed and eclectic the voting was for this poll.

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Postby Bruce » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:46 am

Jackson wrote:Love (232): Forever Changes has universal support here


Uhhh....not quite.

I think Love was good as a 60s style punk band in 65-66, but I don't like "Forever Changes" much at all. The most famous song on the album (Alone Again Or) sounds like elevator music to me.

Doesn't anybody here like blues?

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Postby Pierre » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:53 am

I'm always stunned by how far those conversations with Bruce can go.

If I understood correctly, this poll was not about the greatest artists of all time, but about the favourite artists of the forum members. The criteria vary from people to people. Some people like Bruce factor the initial and lasting popularity of artists into the equation, others, like me, do not. Some people like me factor the albums and lyrics into the equation, Bruce does not. Let it be, right?

That said, I did not take part into the poll. But great list guys, with some interesting surprises!

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Postby luvulongTIM » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:56 am

I've never been to the UK either, wanted to go though but I'd still prefer to visit Australia yet I'd much rather listen to nothing but UK acts over American bands on any day. It's the best region for music and even when they go through a dry spell (ie synth pop, late 00s-10s neo soul pop, boy bands) they still manage to pull themselves out of it and turn out the best music on the planet.
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Postby Moonbeam » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:58 am

I haven't chimed in awhile, but I'll say that I'm pretty impressed with this list! It seems that our forum games have provided ample exposure to sounds, styles and artists outside of our own personal comfort zones, as the result is more diverse than what a typical list may look like!

I'm sad to see that I'm the only one who voted for the following:

The Sound
Gary Numan/Tubeway Army
Kim Wilde
Bat for Lashes
The Human League
Bootsy's Rubber Band
Annie Lennox
Annie
Kylie Minogue

I'm also a little surprised to see Ms. Monae so low. Are people not enjoying The Electric Lady?

On the other hand, I'm quite chuffed to see that at least one other person voted for:

Grace Jones
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Janet Jackson (!)

I'm also happy to see Eurythmics in the top 150. Henrik, we'll get them into the top 100 at some stage!

And on to other comments:

75 : Massive Attack

I thought I didn't like them for awhile, but "Unfinished Sympathy" and "Teardrop" have warmed me up to them. I think Mezzanine might be worth a spin.

74 : LCD Soundsystem

I find that as I age, it's harder and harder for new albums to have an impact comparable to those I have known and loved for quite some time. After all, it's hard to compete with albums that are influential on developing my own personality and character. However, when Sound of Silver came, it hit me so, so hard. I had just immigrated to Australia after some very tough years which saw me lose my dad and both grandmothers as well as my aunt to suicide. While I came to Australia for the very best reason (to be with my wife), it was to make my life work outside of her - I hadn't arranged work or anything like that. So it took months for me to get temporary residence, and then a car and work. I had been sending my resume out to anyone within a 2-hour drive, be it after school/weekend tutoring for middle school and high school students or lecturing positions at universities. It seems that my qualifications in America didn't place me in a position to get anything permanent in Australia without further study of some sort. It was amidst this wilderness that I first encountered Sound of Silver, and I was immediately struck by the electronic haze of "Get Innocuous!" and the specter of conforming, the day-becomes-night reality subversion in the wake of personal loss in "Someone Great", and particularly the misty-eyed yearning for the meaning of it all with "All My Friends". Rarely has music connected with me on such a personal level.

73 : Brian Eno

I feel like such a fool for taking so long to investigate his solo work. It's a shame his genius contributions haven't elevated Roxy Music in these polls the way they have Talking Heads and U2. In any case, there seems to be no limit to his capability, and I'm warming up to the idea that he is one of the greatest musical minds in modern music. I've only heard 4 of his albums, but they have all been great finds: Here Come the Warm Jets, Another Green World, Before and After Science and especially the lurking Chinese-dragon in the shadows that is Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy).

72 : The National

I'll have to give them some more notice. I bought Boxer and enjoyed it (thanks, Stephan!), but haven't listened to it much since. My wife has recently heard about them, though, and really seems keen, so it seems like a good time to dig more deeply.

71 : Elton John

Elton was probably my mom's favorite artist when I was growing up, so I was exposed over and over to his music, to the point of hating it. It got so bad that at one point when my bought one of his new albums but played only "Sacrifice" over and over ten times in a row, my brother would retort, "Mom, it's not a single"! My disdain for him has subsided somewhat, but those big sappy Disney ballads certainly didn't help matters. I did kind of enjoy "I Don't Want to Go on with You Like That", though.

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Re: The Acclaimed Music Artists Poll 2013 : top 20 and full

Postby Moonbeam » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:00 am

Jackson wrote:Roxy is the weirdest; if they had been listed as a top 50 artist I doubt anyone would have been surprised in the least. How do they not place ahead of, say, Lou Reed or Steely Dan?


I'm also sad to see them outside the top 100. They were #14 on my ballot.


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