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Post by GucciLittlePiggy » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:06 am

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GucciLittlePiggy wrote:Whoa! The National's Boxer really rocketed in the rankings. It's comfortably ahead of High Violet now, 292 to 384. I'd love to hear everyone's opinions, as I really prefer High Violet, and I also thought most others did too.
"Boxer" is great and all, but I strongly prefer "High a Violet". That run of songs from "Bloodbuzz Ohio", "Lemonworld", "Runaway", and "Conversation 16" just cannot be beat.
"Afraid of Everyone" is my favorite track by the band. I think Boxer starts off masterfully with the trifecta of "Fake Empire," "Mistaken for Strangers," and "Brainy," and it ends nicely with the last three tracks, but it kind of hits a lull for me in the middle. Anyway, I'm glad to see all three albums already on the site rise in this update, as well as a great placing for Trouble Will Find Me, my second favorite of theirs.
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Post by Jonathon » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:14 am

GucciLittlePiggy wrote:
Nick wrote:
GucciLittlePiggy wrote:Whoa! The National's Boxer really rocketed in the rankings. It's comfortably ahead of High Violet now, 292 to 384. I'd love to hear everyone's opinions, as I really prefer High Violet, and I also thought most others did too.
"Boxer" is great and all, but I strongly prefer "High a Violet". That run of songs from "Bloodbuzz Ohio", "Lemonworld", "Runaway", and "Conversation 16" just cannot be beat.
"Afraid of Everyone" is my favorite track by the band. I think Boxer starts off masterfully with the trifecta of "Fake Empire," "Mistaken for Strangers," and "Brainy," and it ends nicely with the last three tracks, but it kind of hits a lull for me in the middle. Anyway, I'm glad to see all three albums already on the site rise in this update, as well as a great placing for Trouble Will Find Me, my second favorite of theirs.
My favorite National song is "Slow Show", so I'm not sure about the lull in the middle.

For me:

High Violet (9.6/10) > Boxer (9.2/10) > Alligator (9.0/10) > Trouble Will Find Me (8.4/10)


I'm really dismayed to see Reflektor as the worst Arcade Fire album, and also seeing Neon Bible jump back up the rankings. I was very comfortable with Neon Bible dropping out of the top 500 to make way for better albums. That album to me typifies a highly acclaimed artist getting a free pass.

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Post by GucciLittlePiggy » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:22 am

Jonathon wrote:I'm really dismayed to see Reflektor as the worst Arcade Fire album, and also seeing Neon Bible jump back up the rankings. I was very comfortable with Neon Bible dropping out of the top 500 to make way for better albums. That album to me typifies a highly acclaimed artist getting a free pass.
I'm also disappointed about Reflektor's ranking. While this may not be a common opinion, Reflektor is my favorite of their albums. It's actually in my top ten all time. I think it has a good chance of becoming their second best album assuming they don't release anything better for the rest of this decade.

And, while I don't feel quite as strongly about Neon Bible being overrated, I definitely didn't expect it to rise in the rankings, nor did I feel its rise was warranted.
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Post by Luke JR68 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:33 am

It looks like "Baba O'Riley" might have the highest rise into the top 500 songs (from just outside the top 500 to #239) :music-listening:

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Post by Jonathon » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:48 am

GucciLittlePiggy wrote:
Jonathon wrote:I'm really dismayed to see Reflektor as the worst Arcade Fire album, and also seeing Neon Bible jump back up the rankings. I was very comfortable with Neon Bible dropping out of the top 500 to make way for better albums. That album to me typifies a highly acclaimed artist getting a free pass.
I'm also disappointed about Reflektor's ranking. While this may not be a common opinion, Reflektor is my favorite of their albums. It's actually in my top ten all time. I think it has a good chance of becoming their second best album assuming they don't release anything better for the rest of this decade.

And, while I don't feel quite as strongly about Neon Bible being overrated, I definitely didn't expect it to rise in the rankings, nor did I feel its rise was warranted.
Neon Bible and The Suburbs still felt in the shadow of Funeral to me. Reflektor is such a departure, and I think it should be celebrated for that.

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Post by Bruce » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:07 am

More than position changes it's great to see so many more songs ranked. The old list with 3000 plus extras was missing lots of very significant songs but now they have been filled in. It's also good to see so many more pre-1940s things now.

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Post by Luke JR68 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:12 am

Again, I'm surprised that "Runaway" is now Kanye's highest ranked song... I mean, I love it dearly, but I always figured "Jesus Walks" would have a monopoly on that slot :happy-partydance:

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Post by Bruno » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:15 am

Wow, weird how almost every song of the 50s in the top 1000 dropped in this update.

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Post by Bruce » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:30 am

Bruno wrote:Wow, weird how almost every song of the 50s in the top 1000 dropped in this update.
Not really. At this point many rock critics see 50s music as a necessary evil as part of rock, or they just ignore the 50s totally and consider the Beach Boys/Dylan/Beatles as the real start of rock. Much the way that the young guys around here complain about me always talking about 50s music, most younger critics don't really like very much from then, so they don't end up including much of it on all time lists.

If you're 50 years old today you were not even born yet in the 1950s.

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Post by Bruno » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:47 am

Well, some good news to 50s music lovers:

Songs in the top 1000 with 50 or more places higher:

226 Chuck Berry - Roll Over Beethoven +50
235 Bo Diddley - Bo Diddley +50
503 Hank Williams - Your Cheatin' Heart +198
621 Willie Mae "Big Mama" Thornton - Hound Dog +54
661 Chuck Berry - Sweet Little Sixteen +62
711 Chuck Berry - Rock and Roll Music +166
842 Dave Brubeck - Take Five +140
859 Buddy Holly & The Crickets - Not Fade Away +243
959 The Drifters - Money Honey +246

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Post by Bruce » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:25 am

Bruno wrote:Well, some good news to 50s music lovers:

Songs in the top 1000 with 50 or more places higher:

226 Chuck Berry - Roll Over Beethoven +50
235 Bo Diddley - Bo Diddley +50
503 Hank Williams - Your Cheatin' Heart +198
621 Willie Mae "Big Mama" Thornton - Hound Dog +54
661 Chuck Berry - Sweet Little Sixteen +62
711 Chuck Berry - Rock and Roll Music +166
842 Dave Brubeck - Take Five +140
859 Buddy Holly & The Crickets - Not Fade Away +243
959 The Drifters - Money Honey +246
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Post by irreduciblekoan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:49 am

kargetina wrote:Hello guys,big fan of this site for a long time here and this update finally provoked me enough to become a member of the forums. :D

One thing that really bothered me the previous years and has bothered me even more is the huge bias towards new releases.For example,it's ridiculous to see My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy in the top 100 when it only has made 10 all time lists...most of the ''points' it has,is from ranking high in the end-of-year lists of 2010.

On the other hand you have Pearl Jam's 10 which is on 57 all time lists but since there were a lot fewer ''best of the year'' sources due to the lack of internet,it's placed at 147.

This way,there is no actual cannon and if there is it's way too easy to enter it...there are 18 releases from the 00' that are in the top 200.

My recommendation for next year is to try emulate what TSPDT does for films...end-of-year lists have no impact on the top 1000 but they do on the ''best of the 21 century'' list.It's absolutely necessary to distinguish those two things because as shown above MTDF is by no means more acclaimed than Ten and there are countless other examples like that.

12 Years a Slave was the most acclaimed film last year,by a wide margin,and yet it didn't even enter the top 1000 let alone placing in the top 100.

On the other end of the spectrum,Frank Ocean's Channel Orange is on the 99-th place even though it was released two years ago and only appears on 4 ''all time best'' lists.It's in no way,shape or form the 99-th most acclaimed album of all time.Not even a mile close.

I really appreciate the hard effort to compile these lists but it's really disappointing to see such an arbitrary way of ranking the albums.
Way back before I even had this username, before there WERE usernames and we could still post replies with any name, I actually started a thread making the same point as you. You will probably get a lot of disagreement here, as I did back then, but I just want you to know that you have at least one person here on your side.

Henrik and others will swear that end of year lists don't trump all time lists and that the algorithm is fair. No matter what we tell them or what examples we mention, they will claim that the formula takes the point you're making into account. But I think, as you do, that that clearly isn't the case. If EOY lists weren't given too much weight, then why would CHannel Orange and MBDTF be in the top 100? I too believe that it is far too soon to consider any 2010s album as a top 100 of ALL TIME. To make such a statement about any work of art, I believe the "test of time" needs to be taken into consideration. Saying that something is one of the top 100 greatest of all time is a big, big statement. Any work of art would need to be competing with the established classics, and rightfully so. I believe that Henrik's formula still makes it too easy for newer albums to garner too-high rankings. You pointed out They Shoot Pictures and, like you, I agree with their algorithm or methodology more.

However, there are those, including Henrik, who will come back with an argument of their own, which isn't a bad one. They will say that as long as a list exists from an eligible source, it should be used. They will say that lists shouldn't be picked and chosen, whether they be yearly or decade or all time, all lists should be included. And I can understand that point of view. If we choose not to include EOY lists, then we are basically saying that such lists "don't matter." But they do of course! They are still valid lists. So I would suggest to Henrik not to delete EOY lists completely, but simply to give them lesser weight, so that an album that has made it to barely any all-time or decade lists can't suddenly jump into the top 200. Channel Orange wasn't on ANY all-time or decade lists, yet it was in the top 150 on last year's update, and I think that's ridiculous. So I would suggest tweaking the formula a little more and giving EOY lists a bit less weight. In my perfect vision for this site, no album from the previous year would be able to enter the list straight into the top 200. The top 200 would be tougher to get into, and would require at least a few all-time/decade lists.

All complaining aside, I still love this site and appreciate all of Henrik's work. Thank you (again) for a great update, Henrik!

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Post by Bruce » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:59 am

irreduciblekoan wrote:
kargetina wrote: I too believe that it is far too soon to consider any 2010s album as a top 100 of ALL TIME. To make such a statement about any work of art, I believe the "test of time" needs to be taken into consideration.
I agree with this 100%. More weight should be given to albums or songs that have been on all time lists for decades and have stood the test of time. For instance, if this was 1975 "Color My World" by Chicago would be one of the top classic rock songs of all time, but nowadays is largely forgotten. I graduated high school in 1975 and in 1973 "Color My World" was the second most popular song (after Stairway To Heaven) in my high school (#1 with the girls). I know this because I surveyed the entire school as a class project. "Color My World" is not listed on the AM site at all. Chicago was highly regarded back then, but nowadays they are scorned by most critics.

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Post by Bruno » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:14 am

Just for fun:

The winners - songs that boosted their rank (300 + or more):

693 . Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb +1602
1509 . The Stone Roses - Made of Stone +1470
1263 . Sigur Rós - Hoppípolla +1443
1173 . The National - Fake Empire +1398
702 . Jay-Z - Niggas in Paris +1334
1504 . Leonard Cohen - Chelsea Hotel #2 +1333
1256 . Artie Shaw - Begin the Beguine +1284
1155 . America - A Horse with No Name +1276
1719 . Interpol - Evil +1239
1696 . The Beatles - Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/The End +1186
1603 . James Blake - CMYK +1161
1252 . The Prodigy - Smack My Bitch Up +1122
1157 . The Monkees - Daydream Believer +1114
1462 . Bob Dylan - Girl from the North Country +1105
443 . Nick Drake - Pink Moon +1079
1121 . Richard Harris - Macarthur Park +1074
1612 . The White Stripes - Hotel Yorba +1046
1259 . Lady Gaga - Bad Romance +1043
1758 . The Rolling Stones - Beast of Burden +1031
800 . Bruce Springsteen - The River +1029
1942 . Steve Miller Band - The Joker +1028
1851 . Bonnie "Prince" Billy - I See a Darkness +1025
1925 . Marvin Gaye - Got to Give It Up, Part 1 +1013
980 . Nine Inch Nails - Hurt +1009
945 . The Strokes - Someday +1000
1560 . Kanye West - Flashing Lights +993
1215 . The Libertines - What a Waster +974
1709 . Chromatics - Kill for Love +971
868 . Lou Reed - Satellite of Love +969
1168 . PJ Harvey - The Words That Maketh Murder +961
1218 . Les Brown - Sentimental Journey +960
1303 . George Michael - Freedom '90 +937
1756 . Wire - I Am the Fly +936
1798 . Ash - Girl from Mars +934
1997 . Happy Mondays - Hallelujah +934
1279 . Talking Heads - This Must Be the Place (Naive Melody) +924
863 . Talking Heads - Burning Down the House +917
1596 . Bee Gees - How Deep Is Your Love +917
1441 . Adele - Someone Like You +916
1233 . Atlas Sound - Walkabout +908
1647 . John Mellencamp - Jack & Diane +905
659 . Fleetwood Mac - Dreams +899
2029 . The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends +894
1666 . Cream - White Room +894
1501 . Kid Cudi - Day 'N' Nite +887
967 . The Doors - L.A. Woman +880
2046 . The Killers - Human +869
968 . The Velvet Underground - Sunday Morning +860
1442 . Madonna - Live to Tell +859
734 . David Bowie - Sound and Vision +858
698 . Bon Iver - Skinny Love +857
787 . Manic Street Preachers - Motorcycle Emptiness +854
1565 . Townes Van Zandt - Pancho and Lefty +849
870 . The Libertines - Time for Heroes +848
1372 . The Stranglers - Golden Brown +848
983 . Deerhunter - Nothing Ever Happened +811
1000 . The Stone Roses - I Am the Resurrection +810
1972 . Blur - Under the Westway +798
1268 . Friendly Fires - Paris +798
763 . Jimi Hendrix - Little Wing +797
1555 . The Rolling Stones - Moonlight Mile +795
1933 . Drake - Marvin's Room +787
1314 . The Cure - Friday I'm in Love +787
2056 . Robin S. - Show Me Love (StoneBridge Mix) +772
845 . Al Green - Love and Happiness +772
1023 . The Beatles - With a Little Help from My Friends +767
2154 . Muse - Plug In Baby +764
1909 . Blur - The Universal +758
1848 . Soul Asylum - Runaway Train +758
1789 . The Lemonheads - It's a Shame About Ray +746
1881 . Bunny Berigan - I Can't Get Started +742
830 . Elbow - One Day Like This +739
1152 . Major Lazer - Get Free +737
1528 . Glasvegas - Daddy's Gone +734
2163 . Prince - Controversy +733
974 . The Horrors - Sea Within a Sea +732
1328 . Beck - Sexx Laws +731
1087 . Paul McCartney - Band on the Run +728
1074 . Elton John - Tiny Dancer +725
1787 . Rod Stewart - Da Ya Think I'm Sexy? +714
1059 . The Zombies - Time of the Season +705
2239 . Foo Fighters - Learn to Fly +700
740 . Neil Young - Cortez the Killer +693
1742 . Natalie Imbruglia - Torn +688
2057 . Julee Cruise - Falling +687
856 . Nick Cave - Into My Arms +686
873 . Rihanna - We Found Love +679
1803 . Green Day - Boulevard of Broken Dreams +678
1502 . The Cure - Pictures of You +674
1940 . The Beatles - Twist and Shout +671
896 . Girls - Lust for Life +670
1573 . Arcade Fire - Intervention +665
1955 . Crystal Castles - Crimewave +660
1542 . Def Leppard - Photograph +659
2193 . Silver Apples - Oscillations +659
1992 . The Cranberries - Zombie +653
1584 . The Coral - Dreaming of You +652
985 . Peter Gabriel - Solsbury Hill +651
887 . Fela Kuti - Zombie +649
2062 . Coldplay - In My Place +643
2225 . Herbie Hancock - Chameleon +641
768 . Oasis - Don't Look Back in Anger +636
998 . Foals - Spanish Sahara +624
1786 . Terry Jacks - Seasons in the Sun +620
1686 . Sufjan Stevens - John Wayne Gacy, Jr. +613
1064 . Moloko - Sing It Back +613
1044 . MGMT - Electric Feel +612
1428 . Fleet Foxes - Mykonos +610
2000 . The Jesus and Mary Chain - April Skies +610
917 . Nick Drake - River Man +600
2256 . The Beatles - I Feel Fine +600
1581 . Jimmy Eat World - The Middle +591
1300 . Cat Power - The Greatest +586
1095 . Blur - This Is a Low +584
1948 . Jet - Are You Gonna Be My Girl +582
1599 . The Beach Boys - Heroes and Villains +580
1445 . St. Vincent - Cruel +573
2339 . Moby - Porcelain +572
1288 . McAlmont and Butler - Yes +568
1275 . Massive Attack - Protection +564
1429 . Sky Ferreira - Everything Is Embarrassing +563
1574 . The Cardigans - Lovefool +563
1056 . Elvis Presley - Can't Help Falling in Love +562
708 . The xx - Crystalised +556
2199 . McLusky - To Hell with Good Intentions +553
1717 . Patti Smith - Land: Horses/Land of a Thousand Dances/La Mer (de) +551
1861 . The Hollies - Bus Stop +551
1683 . Interpol - Slow Hands +547
2438 . M.I.A. - XXXO +540
2051 . The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots (Pt. 1) +535
1469 . R.E.M. - Imitation of Life +535
1207 . Bob Dylan - Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands +535
1722 . The xx - Angels +533
2068 . Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Heads Will Roll +531
1800 . Bob Dylan - Lay Lady Lay +528
2151 . Mike Jones - Still Tippin' +515
1702 . Pet Shop Boys - Rent +514
2112 . The Association - Never My Love +514
2346 . Nina Simone - I Loves You, Porgy +513
420 . Coldplay - Viva La Vida +511
1093 . Gorillaz - DARE +510
2441 . The Ronettes - Walking in the Rain +508
2170 . Red Hot Chili Peppers - By the Way +504
2003 . U2 - Mysterious Ways +501
1543 . David Bowie - Suffragette City +498
1380 . Hole - Doll Parts +497
2243 . Snoop Dogg - What's My Name? +497
1701 . Buddy Holly & The Crickets - Everyday +497
2213 . Guns N' Roses - November Rain +496
1386 . The Smiths - Bigmouth Strikes Again +493
2281 . Super Furry Animals - Ice Hockey Hair +492
1532 . The Smiths - Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now +492
1828 . Patti Smith - Rock'n'Roll Nigger +491
1797 . Smashing Pumpkins - Disarm +487
1365 . Slayer - Angel of Death +486
1690 . T. Rex - Jeepster +485
1293 . Kate Bush - Hounds of Love +482
633 . Portishead - The Rip +480
2255 . Peter Gabriel - Biko +480
1006 . Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited +480
1451 . Gwen Stefani - Hollaback Girl +479
1710 . Dixie Chicks - Not Ready to Make Nice +478
838 . Bruce Springsteen - Atlantic City +476
1464 . Aaliyah - We Need a Resolution +475
785 . The Beach Boys - Surf's Up +473
2464 . Richard Ashcroft - A Song for the Lovers +471
1655 . Midlake - Roscoe +470
1432 . Deerhunter - Desire Lines +469
1266 . Bob Dylan - Don't Think Twice, It's All Right +468
2009 . Empire of the Sun - Walking on a Dream +466
2043 . Radiohead - High and Dry +466
2061 . The Horrors - Still Life +465
1744 . Patsy Montana - I Want to Be a Cowboy's Sweetheart +462
2465 . Yes - Roundabout +460
1938 . Ike and Tina Turner - Nutbush City Limits +456
2522 . Kate Nash - Foundations +455
1474 . Queen - Killer Queen +455
1713 . Canned Heat - On the Road Again +454
950 . Ol' Dirty Bastard - Got Your Money +453
851 . Neil Young - Like a Hurricane +453
1308 . Wynonie Harris - Good Rockin' Tonight +452
1049 . Smashing Pumpkins - Tonight, Tonight +451
2295 . Spoon - You Got Yr Cherry Bomb +450
865 . Chris Isaak - Wicked Game +447
975 . New Order - Crystal +445
1953 . Moloko - The Time Is Now +445
1638 . Oasis - Cigarettes and Alcohol +445
2317 . Lady Gaga - Paparazzi +442
2273 . Radiohead - How to Disappear Completely +442
2116 . Fred Astaire - Cheek to Cheek +442
1271 . Talking Heads - Life During Wartime +438
2142 . Sam Cooke - Chain Gang +437
1703 . Christina Aguilera - Ain't No Other Man +436
1656 . Wolfman - For Lovers +435
2227 . Interpol - NYC +435
1714 . The Rolling Stones - Happy +433
1236 . Doves - There Goes the Fear +432
2179 . Grizzly Bear - Knife +428
2382 . Weezer - Island in the Sun +426
1388 . Pink Floyd - Astronomy Domine +426
2505 . Kid Creole and The Coconuts - Annie, I'm Not Your Daddy +425
1360 . Spoon - The Underdog +424
1512 . Tears for Fears - Everybody Wants to Rule the World +423
1273 . Nick Cave - Where the Wild Roses Grow +422
1831 . Vampire Weekend - Oxford Comma +420
1491 . Kendrick Lamar - Swimming Pools (Drank) +418
1020 . The Killers - All These Things That I've Done +417
2552 . Erykah Badu - Window Seat +416
2555 . Ornette Coleman - Lonely Woman +416
1426 . R.E.M. - Drive +415
879 . The Byrds - I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better +415
1564 . The Kinks - All Day and All of the Night +414
1616 . Alabama Shakes - Hold On +413
1423 . The Libertines - Don't Look Back into the Sun +412
2128 . Florence + The Machine - Shake It Out +409
2076 . Van Morrison - And It Stoned Me +409
713 . Small Faces - Itchycoo Park +406
2194 . Ben Selvin - Happy Days Are Here Again +404
1957 . Muse - Supermassive Black Hole +403
1296 . Talking Heads - Born Under Punches (The Heat Goes On) +403
2279 . Lily Allen - LDN +402
862 . The Chemical Brothers - Hey Boy Hey Girl +399
2531 . Ministry - Jesus Built My Hot Rod +397
1715 . The Clash - The Guns of Brixton +396
2516 . The Pains of Being Pure at Heart - Young Adult Friction +392
714 . Radiohead - Everything in Its Right Place +392
656 . Kanye West - Monster +390
2433 . Everclear - Santa Monica (Watch the World Die) +389
2566 . R.E.M. - Shiny Happy People +387
1079 . Justin Timberlake - SexyBack +385
2612 . Roy Orbison - Ooby Dooby +384
827 . Bob Dylan - Hurricane +383
2521 . Broken Bells - The High Road +382
1274 . Alicia Keys - Fallin' +381
1960 . Andrew W.K. - Party Hard +381
1131 . Tom Petty - American Girl +381
1318 . The Human League - Love Action +380
1627 . PJ Harvey - Sheela Na Gig +378
341 . Queen - Under Pressure +376
701 . Nancy Sinatra - Some Velvet Morning +376
670 . Dizzee Rascal - Fix Up, Look Sharp +374
1262 . The Beatles - Across the Universe +372
1513 . James Blake - Limit to Your Love +371
2048 . Brook Benton - Rainy Night in Georgia +370
2375 . Eric Clapton - Wonderful Tonight +368
731 . The Beach Boys - Wouldn't It Be Nice +367
2013 . Cults - Go Outside +365
532 . The Gossip - Standing in the Way of Control +364
1841 . Bob Dylan - Every Grain of Sand +363
1946 . EMA - California +362
1984 . The White Stripes - Icky Thump +362
1698 . Whitney Houston - I Will Always Love You +362
1921 . War - Low Rider +359
1772 . Beastie Boys - So What'cha Want +358
1324 . The Cure - A Forest +358
1995 . Fontella Bass - Rescue Me +358
2598 . Madness - One Step Beyond +356
699 . Coldplay - Clocks +355
605 . Bob Dylan - Ballad of a Thin Man +355
1026 . Metronomy - The Look +354
776 . The Black Keys - Lonely Boy +351
2249 . Crystal Waters - Gypsy Woman (She's Homeless) +351
2454 . Bing Crosby - Pennies from Heaven +351
1126 . Saint Etienne - Only Love Can Break Your Heart +350
1310 . Joy Orbison - Hyph Mngo +348
2097 . The Knife - We Share Our Mother's Health +348
1203 . The Rolling Stones - Ruby Tuesday +348
1546 . Jeff Buckley - Grace +346
1053 . Pixies - Here Comes Your Man +346
2508 . The Supremes - Love Child +346
1930 . Indeep - Last Night a D.J. Saved My Life +344
1206 . The Killers - When You Were Young +343
1640 . The Velvet Underground - White Light White Heat +343
630 . The Beatles - All You Need Is Love +342
1249 . Warren Zevon - Werewolves of London +341
1886 . TNGHT - Higher Ground +340
1767 . The Offspring - Come Out and Play +340
1001 . Pet Shop Boys - It's a Sin +339
601 . Gorillaz - Feel Good Inc. +337
352 . The Velvet Underground - Venus in Furs +336
1027 . Destroyer - Kaputt +335
1692 . Girls - Vomit +335
2085 . Cut Copy - Need You Now +334
2422 . Rihanna - SOS +334
2458 . Blur - There's No Other Way +332
1145 . Bob Dylan - Masters of War +332
883 . Beyoncé - Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It) +331
1577 . My Chemical Romance - Welcome to the Black Parade +331
1195 . The Futureheads - Hounds of Love +329
1088 . Depeche Mode - Just Can't Get Enough +329
2315 . Peter Frampton - Show Me the Way +329
2150 . David Bowie - Fashion +327
1571 . Arcade Fire - No Cars Go +326
1793 . Suede - Trash +325
1120 . INXS - Need You Tonight +325
1523 . The Jam - Start! +325
919 . Pink Floyd - Money +325
1463 . No Doubt - Don't Speak +324
1515 . Hot Hot Heat - Bandages +323
2278 . The Go-Betweens - Cattle and Cane +323
2040 . The Platters - Smoke Gets in Your Eyes +322
2168 . HEALTH - Die Slow +320
761 . Green Day - American Idiot +319
2663 . The Hues Corporation - Rock the Boat +319
1369 . Japandroids - Young Hearts Spark Fire +317
511 . Van Morrison - Moondance +317
1122 . Hole - Celebrity Skin +314
984 . Leftfield - Open Up +314
930 . Arcade Fire - Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels) +313
2159 . Alter Ego - Rocker +312
1762 . M.I.A. - Bucky Done Gun +311
1846 . Alicia Keys - You Don't Know My Name +310
1615 . The Cure - Lullaby +310
1090 . Flamin' Groovies - Shake Some Action +310
1337 . Stereo MC's - Connected +309
759 . The Beatles - Helter Skelter +309
1853 . Battles - Ice Cream +306
563 . Iggy Pop - The Passenger +306
1548 . Ladytron - Destroy Everything You Touch +305
644 . The Streets - Dry Your Eyes +305
490 . Depeche Mode - Enjoy the Silence +305
1733 . Scissor Sisters - I Don't Feel Like Dancin' +304
1827 . The Chemical Brothers - Galvanize +304
2206 . Blink-182 - All the Small Things +304
1136 . Green Day - Basket Case +303
1449 . Santana - Smooth +302
1761 . Joy Division - Disorder +301
2017 . A Tribe Called Quest - Can I Kick It? +300

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Post by Maschine_Man » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:36 am

Re: Neon Bible - It's my favorite AF album. Go it!

I'm enjoying going through the update. My top 2, Bjork and The White Stripes, have fared well in the album department, all albums are up. Good to see 7NA in the top 50 (though Get Lucky is higher, wut? booo!)

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Post by whuntva » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:14 am

A few surprises. "Teen Spirit" WILL take #1 eventually. Mark my words!

I think newer artists benefited more, but Daft Punk in the Top 50 with the song of the Decade so far (a title I wouldn't dispute too hard) I saw coming.

I'm actually still in the mood for another Unacclaimed with the new update. Better get on that!
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Post by Nassim » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:17 am

kargetina wrote:Hello guys,big fan of this site for a long time here and this update finally provoked me enough to become a member of the forums. :D

One thing that really bothered me the previous years and has bothered me even more is the huge bias towards new releases.For example,it's ridiculous to see My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy in the top 100 when it only has made 10 all time lists...most of the ''points' it has,is from ranking high in the end-of-year lists of 2010.

On the other hand you have Pearl Jam's 10 which is on 57 all time lists but since there were a lot fewer ''best of the year'' sources due to the lack of internet,it's placed at 147.

This way,there is no actual cannon and if there is it's way too easy to enter it...there are 18 releases from the 00' that are in the top 200.
I completely disagree, you can not look at the sheer number of appearances, you have to look more in a %age way.
Saying that Ten is more acclaimed because he appeared in more all time lists is like saying that a 18 year old guy is a better student than a 6 year old one because he got more As in his life.
The way you put it, you have to take out the decade lists, because that's as biased as the EOY ones since there too you don't have the same amount in every decades, that would already make the number of Ten showings drop but that's not my point.

If you only look at all time lists made after the release of MBDTF, EW included only Kanye, Rolling Stone included both (with Pearl Jam higher), NME both (but with Kanye much higher) and we have 2 Australian lists including Kanye and not Pearl Jam, so I would say MBDTF is indeed more acclaimed than Ten.
I can understand that for a 4 year old album you find that a problem, but when you include all the 00s, those albums have faced the test of time (a shorter one, sure) already.
And I also agree that can be an issue lower on the list, with albums who really only have EOY lists behind them, but for those few top 200 albums, data back them up heavily.
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Post by Henrik » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:52 am

Good morning!

Thanks for all the thanks! It really warms my heart to see such an interest and enjoyment in the work behind the update.

About the formula, and that recent albums can be in the all-time top 100, you are right I will defend it! ;) PlasticRam and Nassim said most of the things I want to say, but I will add this:

Rather than seeing the AM lists as a summary of acclaim over all years, I see them as a measure of acclaim of the albums' lifetimes.

As it is, eoy lists ARE weighted much lower that all-time lists. And if they had been weighted higher that would basically just have changed the order of "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" and "Channel Orange", and left older albums unaffected as there were no or only a few EOY lists from those years. The reason why "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" and "Channel Orange" are in the top 100 is that albums of the 10s have had pretty good showings in the most recent all-time lists, and that these two albums are the "cream of the crop" of the decade so far.

In fact, there is a score reduction for albums with a smaller total weight (=newer albums), as their data are less reliable. But if the trend holds, "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" and "Channel Orange" are more likely to appear on coming all-time lists than for example "Ten". And for that I think their positions are deserved.

But welcome to the forum kargetina! Hopefully we can agree to disagree about the algorithm.
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Post by irreduciblekoan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:08 am

Henrik wrote:But if the trend holds, "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" and "Channel Orange" are more likely to appear on coming all-time lists than for example "Ten". And for that I think their positions are deserved.
That's a good point.

EDIT: But that still leaves the lingering complaint that Channel Orange was in the top 150 last year without being on ANY non-EOY lists. 150 all time is pretty lofty and I believe an album should at least be on more than just EOY lists to be ranked so high. It was because of Channel Orange that I realized I disagreed with the weighting you used.
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Post by Romain » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:16 am

Hello Henrik and, or course, a huge thank you for this Sisyphean job. Again and again, year after year, you make us the happiest guys in the earth ;-)

I found the new lists better than the previous ones. Happy for some change, sad for some other. I think what make me the happiest is the climb of Life on Mars? by Bowie.


It's me or Jazz is the biggest loser of this year ?

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Post by Henrik » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:42 am

Romain wrote:It's me or Jazz is the biggest loser of this year ?
I was waiting for this comment. Yes, jazz takes a big hit with this update. There are two reasons for this:

1. There are no jazz genrelists included in this update. And the other lists don't include much jazz albums.

2. I have reduced the weight for ratings, and jazz albums generally have strong ratings but only a few list appearances. I think the ratings might have been weighted too high in the previous updates, given that it's usually only one person's opinion behind each rating. Moreover, if I will ever manage to increase the albums list to 4000 or 5000 albums, and make sure I haven't missed any albums, the weight of the ratings will have to go down. It is an almost impossible task to include all albums with high ratings and no list appearances in AM's source sheets.
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Post by Nassim » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:05 am

189 albums are leaving the AM3000, here are the top 10 drops :

Henry Red Allen - World on a String (2398)
Hank Williams, Jr. - Hank Williams Jr. & Friends (2445)
Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (2480)
The Original Broadway Cast - My Fair Lady (2483)
Milt Jackson - Bags & Trane (2501)
Judas Priest - Screaming for Vengeance (2503)
Wayne Shorter - The All Seeing Eye (2504)
Lonnie Johnson - Blues and Ballads (2523)
Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (2524)
Eric Dolphy - Outward Bound (2525)

Good thing is I now have heard about 45 albums more than in the previous AM3000, I should get to 1000 hopefully.
Souvlaki not in AM3000 was one of the strangest omission, this is now corrected ! (and happy to see Boris - Pink back too, there aren't a lot of Japanese albums in AM after all)

Nice update for my fav indie artists by the way : Built to Spill puts 3 albums in the top 1000 (though the best one is ranked the lowest), Elliott Smith sees his 4 ranked albums climbing steadily (not enough for XO to enter top 500 unfortunately), Yo La Tengo adds 2 albums in AM and has 4 other climbing up, so does Modest Mouse who also have a nice bump to its 3 most acclaimed albums earning them a top 200 spot on the artists list, Crooked Rain Crooked Rain enters AM200, Illinois the top 100, The Age of Adz the top 1000...
Only Low isn't doing as well, but they still get one more album in the top 3000

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Post by mattschroeder » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:22 am

Henrik, thank you so much for this. I really appreciate all your hard work.

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Post by peteevans » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:59 am

Very surprised and disappointed to see Steely Dan drop like a stone from 71 to 115. When you look at some of the acts that are above them this adds to the dismay as far as I am concerned. No one will ever convince me they are now only regarded ax the 115th best popular music act of all time, especially when the likes of Rolling Stone magazine had Becker and Fagen in its top ten songwriter team list of all time.

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Post by Kingoftonga » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:08 pm

Thanks again for all this, Henrik. Can't wait to dig in. I know it's a lot of work, but I hope you have as much fun combing the final results as we do.

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Post by Henrik » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:29 pm

Here are the "scores" for the top 25 albums and songs, to give you an idea of which albums/songs that have a good chance to advance in coming updates.

Albums

9829 1. The Beatles - Revolver
9818 2. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
9812 3. Nirvana - Nevermind
9793 4. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
9776 5. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
9739 6. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
9728 7. The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main St.
9717 8. The Clash - London Calling
9716 9. Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde
9674 10. Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks - Here's the Sex Pistols
9665 11. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
9637 12. Radiohead - OK Computer
9548 13. Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
9539 14. The Beatles - The Beatles ("White Album")
9500 15. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
9392 16. David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars
9363 17. Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run
9296 18. The Beatles - Abbey Road
9287 19. Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
9278 20. Bob Dylan - Blood on the Tracks
9242 21. Patti Smith - Horses
9222 22. Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon
9216 23. Television - Marquee Moon
9178 24. Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
9132 25. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead


Songs

9874 1. Bob Dylan - Like a Rolling Stone
9804 2. Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit
9700 3. The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations
9662 4. The Rolling Stones - (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
9651 5. The Beatles - A Day in the Life
9482 6. Marvin Gaye - I Heard It Through the Grapevine
9391 7. Aretha Franklin - Respect
9339 8. The Beatles - Strawberry Fields Forever
9335 9. The Ronettes - Be My Baby
9292 10. Chuck Berry - Johnny B. Goode
9275 11. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
9259 12. Otis Redding - (Sittin' On) The Dock of the Bay
9207 13. Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run
9158 14. Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart
9158 15. The Who - My Generation
9132 16. Michael Jackson - Billie Jean
9100 17. Elvis Presley - Heartbreak Hotel
9095 18. The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil
9059 19. Sex Pistols - Anarchy in the U.K.
8977 20. Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven
8950 21. The Beach Boys - God Only Knows
8918 22. The Clash - London Calling
8856 23. Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five - The Message
8814 24. Sex Pistols - God Save the Queen
8773 25. Ike and Tina Turner - River Deep - Mountain High

As you can see, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is closer to "Like a Rolling Stone" than "Good Vibrations". However, the scale is such that the benefit of a top spot in a new critics' list is smaller the closer you get to 10,000.
There's a jump from #5 to #6 in the songs list. "A Day in the Life" has made a major step towards the top in each of the last three updates. It seems much more likely that it will climb further than that it will drop in coming updates.

There used to be a jump from 10th to 11th place in the albums list, but "Never Mind the Bollocks'" place in the top 10 is now threatened.
Not really any big jumps in the albums list, except between #15 and #16. The top 3 is really close!

The overall lower spread in the albums list doesn't mean that there will be a higher turnover in the future, compared to the songs list. There are more albums lists than songs lists behind these lists, and the lower spread can rather be seen as the album ranking has been settled to a higher degree.
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Re: IT HAS HAPPENED: Update 2014 Thread

Post by Nassim » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:29 pm

New #1 songs of the year:
1967 : The Beatles - A Day in the Life (#5) over Aretha Franklin - Respect (#9)
1971 : Marvin Gaye - What's Going On (#11) over Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven (#20)
1982 : Michael Jackson - Billie Jean (#16) over Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five - The Message (#23)
1986 : The Smiths - There is a Light That Never Goes Out (#82) over Run-D.M.C. - Walk This Way (#111)
1978 : Blondie - Heart of Glass (#140) over The Clash - (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais (#144)
2000 : Daft Punk - One More Time (#181) over OutKast - Ms. Jackson (#202)
2010 : Robyn - Dancing on My Own (#270) over Janelle Monae - Tightrope (#320)
1953 : Hank Williams - Your Cheating Heart (#503) over The Orioles - Crying in the Chapel (#991)
1944 : Les Brown - Sentimental Journey (#1218) over Nat King Cole - Straighten Up and Fly Right (#2091)
1938 : Artie Shaw - Begin the Beguine (#1256) over Roy Acuff - Wabash Cannonball (#1401)
1950 : The Weavers - Goodbye Irene (#1385) over Muddy Waters - Rollin' Stone (#1414)

New #1 album of the year :
1989 : Pixies - Doolittle (#54) over The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses (#54)
1995 : Radiohead - The Bends (#80) over Oasis - (What's The Story) Morning Glory ? (#85)
2010 : Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (#97) over Arcade Fire - The Suburbs (#214)
1993 : Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (#120) over Nirvana - In Utero (#125)
2006 : Amy Winehouse - Back to Black (#132) over Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not (#143)
2008 : Portishead - Third (224) over Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes (#255)
1960 : Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain (#378) over John Coltrane - Giant Steps (#395)

I also remember someone asking if a song previously in the AM3000 could not be in the 6000 after the update, this did not happen but The Rolling Stones - We Love You dropped from #2755 to #5588.
The biggest drop among the top 3000 is Jackson Browne's Late for the Sky from #1630 to #2959.

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Post by JR » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:35 pm

Not sure if I missed it explained earlier, but did female acts get the different weighting that had been discussed? It looks like that may be the case, and, if so, that's not a bad thing. :)

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Post by Romain » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:53 pm

Henrik wrote:Here are the "scores" for the top 25 albums and songs, to give you an idea of which albums/songs that have a good chance to advance in coming updates.

Albums

9829 1. The Beatles - Revolver
9818 2. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
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Can you give us for example, the amount of points The Beatles - Revolver had this update. I have no idear if it's 10, 100 or 500 ?

Thanks.

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Post by PlasticRam » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:55 pm

This is prolly not the right thread to ask about this, but why isn't the Rolling Stone debut albums list not included? It actually could have been included in the 2013 update, but either it was forgotten or there was a reason. Prolly latter, I'm just checking.

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Post by Henrik » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:02 pm

Romain wrote:
Henrik wrote:Here are the "scores" for the top 25 albums and songs, to give you an idea of which albums/songs that have a good chance to advance in coming updates.

Albums

9829 1. The Beatles - Revolver
9818 2. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
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Can you give us for example, the amount of points The Beatles - Revolver had this update. I have no idear if it's 10, 100 or 500 ?

Thanks.
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Post by Henrik » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:04 pm

PlasticRam wrote:This is prolly not the right thread to ask about this, but why isn't the Rolling Stone debut albums list not included? It actually could have been included in the 2013 update, but either it was forgotten or there was a reason. Prolly latter, I'm just checking.

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Post by Henrik » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:08 pm

JR wrote:Not sure if I missed it explained earlier, but did female acts get the different weighting that had been discussed? It looks like that may be the case, and, if so, that's not a bad thing. :)
Female acts do not have a different weighting, but lists with a good representation of female acts are generally somewhat awarded for that. That is nothing new for this update though.
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Post by Nassim » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:14 pm

Artists with new #1 song (the list is not complete, there are too many of them !) :
The Beatles : A Day in the Life (#5) over Strawberry Fields Forever (#8)
The Kinks : Waterloo Sunset (#31) over You Reall Got Me (#37)
Daft Punk : Get Lucky (#46) over One More Time (#181)
The Velvet Underground : I'm Waiting for The Man (#73) over Heroin (#172)
The Smiths : There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (#82) over This Charming Man (#94) (As Listyguy noticed, How Soon Is Now also took over This Charming Man)
LCD Soundsystem : All My Friends (#86) over Losing My Edge (#102) (despite a 31% climb by Losing my Edge)
Radiohead : Paranoid Android (#97) over Creep (#143)
Arcade Fire : Reflektor (#171) over Rebellion (Lies) (#216)
Madonna : Like a Prayer (#179) over Like a Virgin (#230)
The Everly Brothers : All I Have To Do Is Dream (#284) over Bye Bye Love (#306)
Kanye West : Runaway (#295) over Jesus Walks (#324)
Muddy Waters : Hoochie Coochie Man (#314) over Man(n)ish Boy (#416)
Leonard Cohen : Suzanne (#423) over Famous Blue Raincoat (#571)
Nick Drake : Pink Moon (#443) over Way to Blue (#2343) : Pink Moon won 1079 places while Way to Blue lost 909
Jeff Buckley : Hallelujah (#454) over Last Goodbye (#626)
TLC : Waterfalls (#498) over No Scrubs (#505)
Pavement : Summer Babe over Cut Your Hair
My Bloody Valentine : Only Shallow over You Made Me Realise (with Soon being 2nd)
Dexys Midnight Runners : Come On Eileen over Geno
James Blake : Retrograde over The Wilhelm Scream
The Streets : Dry Your Eyes over Weak Become Heroes
Dizzee Rascal : Fix Up, Look Sharp over I Luv You
Bon Iver : Skinny Love over Holocene
Snoop Dogg : Drop It Like It's Hot over Gin and Juice
Vampire Weekend : Step over A-Punk
Lloyd Price : Lawdy Miss Clawdy over Stagger Lee
Manic Street Preachers : Motorcycle Emptiness over A Design For Life
Drake : Hold On, We're Going Home over Marvin's Room
The Replacements : I Will Dare over Bastards of Young
Deerhunter : Nothing Ever Happened over Helicopter

and 42 others, most notable Tom Waits (Tom Traubert's Blues over Downtown Train), Brian Eno (Needles in the Camel's Eye), Tears for Fears (Everybody Wants to Rule The World barely passing over Shout) and Elliott Smith (Waltz #2 over Miss Misery) which I would be very happy of if both had not lost over 250 places.

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Post by Live in Phoenix » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:15 pm

Mini-rant about TSPDT: the site drives me a bit nuts with their methodology. If it hadn't been for the latest Sight & Sound poll, the only movie from the last 25 years that was scraping the bottom of the top 100 was 1990's Goodfellas. There's no equivalent for that on AM (except for maybe busting into the all-time top 20 albums/songs, which isn't easy, not that it should be). One of my favorite parts on their site was "Nobody's Blues But My Own," but it looks like it's gone now.

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Post by peteevans » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:17 pm

Very dismayed to see Steely Dan drop like a stone from 72 to 115. No one will ever convince me that they are only the 115 best popular music act of all time when the likes of Rolling Stone magazine has Becker and Fagen down as one of the all time great songwriting teams or that artists like the stone roses and their one album are a better act. What a joke !

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Post by Nassim » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:27 pm

Artists with new #1 albums :

Tom Waits : Rain Dogs (102) over Swordfishtrombones (108)
PJ Harvey : Let England Shake (166) over To Bring You My Love (174)
Daft Punk : Discovery (202) over Homework (241)
Frank Sinatra : In the Wee Small Hours (275) over Songs for Swingin' Lovers! (291)
Vampire Weekend : Modern Vampires of the City (268) over Vampire Weekend (333)
TV on the Radio : Return to Cookie Mountain (287) over Dear Science (334)
New Order : Power, Corruption & Lies (375) over Technique (377)
The National : Boxer (292) over High Violet (384)
Built to Spill : There's Nothing Wrong with Love (904) over Perfect from Now On (970)
The Waterboys : Fisherman's Blues (988) over This Is the Sea (1020)
Billy Bragg : Mermaid Avenue (927) over Talking with the Taxman About Poetry (1028)
The Decemberists : Picaresque (1048) over The Crane Wife (1071)
Magazine : Real Life (1254) over The Correct Use of Soap (1285)
Etta James : At Last! (1200) over Tell Mama (1416)
Ali Farka Touré : Savane (1409) over Talking Timbuktu (1462)
Kings of Leon : Because of the Times (1439) over Aha Shake Heartbreak (1498)
Grinderman : Grinderman (1530) over Grinderman 2 (1614)
Julia Holter : Loud City Song (994) over Ekstasis (1721)
Screaming Trees : Dust (1662) over Sweet Oblivion (1907)
Scritti Politti : Songs to Remember (1850) over Cupid & Psyche 85 (1945)
Camera Obscura : Let's Get Out Of This Country (1767) over My Maudlin Career (1988)
Dizzy Gillespie : Groovin' High (2113) over At Newport (2143)
Andrew Bird : Armchair Apocrypha (2184) over Andrew Bird & the Mysterious Production of Eggs (2260)
Antônio Carlos Jobim : Wave (2330) over The Composer of Desafinado, Plays (2368)
The Blasters : Hard Line (2253) over The Blasters (2539)
The Wedding Present : George Best (2063) over Seamonsters (2575)
Blonde Redhead : 23 (2428) over Misery Is a Butterfly (2622)
Jurassic 5 : Quality Control (2655) over EP/LP/CD (2681)
American Music Club : Everclear (2011) over California (2682)
Dave Edmunds : Repeat when Necessary (2586) over Get It (2688)
Tinariwen : Aman Iman: Water is Life (2641) over Imidiwan: Companions (2696)
Bangles : Different Light (2643) over All Over the Place (2778)
Ennio Morricone : C'era una volta il West / Once Upon a Time in the West (2755) over Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo / The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (2925)
The Jackson 5 : ABC (2985) over Triumph (2990)

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Post by JR » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:28 pm

Gotcha, Henrik. Thanks.

peteevans- Henrik has said that the artist ranks shouldn't be taken as gospel. I think it only takes into account an act's top nine songs (not sure about albums). But, it does give a good idea of an act's reverence.

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Post by Henrik » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:54 pm

JR wrote:Gotcha, Henrik. Thanks.

peteevans- Henrik has said that the artist ranks shouldn't be taken as gospel. I think it only takes into account an act's top nine songs (not sure about albums). But, it does give a good idea of an act's reverence.
Thanks for reminding me about the way the artist ranking is calculated. I changed it so that it now takes the top 15 albums and top 15 songs into account, with a constant decrease in weight.

15*album1+14*album2+13*album3+...+2*album14+1*album15 + 15*song1+14*song2+13*song3+...+2*song14 + 1*song15

where album1, album2,..., song1, song2, etc. = ln(ln(10+alltime place))

For albums not in the top 3000, the value 3011 was assigned.
For songs not in the top 6000, the value 6011 was assigned.
I have no idea why I chose the +011...

Yeah, it's very complicated. Especially for a ranking that shouldn't be taken as gospel :whistle:
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Post by JR » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:56 pm

Ohhh... good to know, H. Always working to improve an already excellent outlet. 8-)

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Post by Jonathon » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:02 pm

peteevans wrote:Very dismayed to see Steely Dan drop like a stone from 72 to 115. No one will ever convince me that they are only the 115 best popular music act of all time when the likes of Rolling Stone magazine has Becker and Fagen down as one of the all time great songwriting teams or that artists like the stone roses and their one album are a better act. What a joke !

Agreed. The idea of the Arctic Monkeys being listed over Steely Dan is laughable. One is a flash in the pan, who after 7 years just finally made their second well received album. The other is one of the best album bands of the 70s.

The following artists to me took hits in ranking that are unrepresentative of their place in music history/ their level of respect:

Sonic Youth- One of the true institutions of American Indie Rock, almost mythic in status.

Tom Waits- One of America's finest songwriters, a steady force in acclaim for over 40 years, and a veritable institution since the release of Swordfishtrombones.

Joni Mitchell- Arguably the finest female singer-songwriter ever, and often argued to be the finest Canadian songwriter of all time (though I prefer Neil Young.)

Wilco- Other than maybe Radiohead, I consider them the most consistent album band of the last 20 years. If they release a new album, it's going to be in the top 20 of the year, and many of them wind up in the top 10. A top 50 album band of all time.

Pavement- Maybe this is due to me being American, but Pavement is absolute royalty. The hyperbole of "Best band of the 90s" is often applied to them, even in the face of Radiohead and Nirvana. I realize they're not nearly as popular abroad but seeing them outside of the top 100 of all time makes me wince.


Steely Dan- For the aforementioned reasons.

Brian Eno- One of the foremost sonic innovators in 20th century popular music, with a great run of albums to boot.

Husker Du- One of the finest American Punk bands of the 1980s. No Husker Du? No Pixies and No Nirvana. Also has a rare run of 5 acclaimed albums.

There are so many more: Grateful Dead, Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart, all ranked below Phoenix? It's just not representative of any sort of real world opinion on music. It may cater to certain tastes, but no honest individual is going to say that Phoenix is more legendary than Frank Zappa? Kanye West or Arcade Fire? I can understand. Those two are basically at the point of legitimate canonization. But this update resulted in many 2nd and 3rd tier indie rock acts outranking legends, based on one-two hot albums and a handful of well performing singles.

I hope next update the skew won't be so much on singles, and will return to celebrating what I consider the true watermark of musical genius. A great album.

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Post by notdarkyet » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:42 pm

the 24 new albums entering the top 500 are the following:

green day - american idiot
outkast - aquemini
guided by voices - bee thousand
yeah yeah yeahs - fever to tell
radiohead - hail to the thief
deerhunter - halcyon digest

yo la tengo - i can hear the heart beating as one
godspeed you black emperor - lift yr skinny fists like antennas to heaven
vampire weekend - modern vampires of the city
boards of canada - music has the right to children
weezer - pinkerton
daft punk - random access memories

david bowie - scary monsters (and super creeps)
bloc party - silent alarm
brian wilson - smile
the prodigy - fat of the land
kanye west - yeezus
arcade fire - reflektor

at the drive in - relationship of command
james blake - james blake
kraftwerk - computerwelt
lcd soundsystem - this is happening
missy misdemeanor elliott - supa dupa fly
my bloody valentine - mbv

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Post by notdarkyet » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:42 pm

the 24 albums exiting the top 500 are the following:

traffic - john barleycorn must die
the replacements - tim
the feelies - crazy rhythms
new order - low life
chic - risque
bill evans - sunday at the village vanguard

willie nelson - red headed stranger
the beatles - please please me
bobby bland - two steps from the blues
the undertones - the undertones
the b-52s - the b-52s
the jam - sound affects

the cure - pornography
augustus pablo - king tubbys meets rockers uptown
joni mitchell - hejira
the congos - heart of the congos
herbie hancock - head hunters
randy newman - good old boys

thelonious monk - genius of modern music vol. 1
elvis presley - elvis
dire straits - dire straits
curtis mayfield - curtis
thelonious monk - brilliant corners
phil spector - a christmas gift for you

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Post by notdarkyet » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:43 pm

Here are the 106 new songs entering the top 1000!

46 Daft Punk feat. Pharrell Williams Get Lucky 2013
171 Arcade Fire Reflektor 2013
312 Lorde Royals 2013
443 Nick Drake Pink Moon 1972
455 Disclosure feat. AlunaGeorge White Noise 2013
476 Kanye West Black Skinhead 2013
575 James Blake Retrograde 2013
577 Kanye West New Slaves 2013
633 Portishead The Rip 2008
656 Kanye West feat. Jay-Z, Rick Ross, Nicki Minaj & Bon Iver Monster 2010
659 Fleetwood Mac Dreams 1977
670 Dizzee Rascal Fix Up, Look Sharp 2003
678 Phosphorescent Song for Zula 2013
690 Arctic Monkeys Do I Wanna Know? 2013
693 Pink Floyd Comfortably Numb 1979
698 Bon Iver Skinny Love 2007
699 Coldplay Clocks 2002
701 Nancy Sinatra & Lee Hazlewood Some Velvet Morning 1967
702 Jay-Z and Kanye West Niggas in Paris 2011
707 Snoop Dogg feat. Pharrell Drop It Like It's Hot 2004
708 The xx Crystalised 2009
713 Small Faces Itchycoo Park 1967
714 Radiohead Everything in Its Right Place 2000
717 Vampire Weekend Step 2013
721 Tubeway Army Are 'Friends' Electric? 1979
731 The Beach Boys Wouldn't It Be Nice 1966
733 The Charlatans The Only One I Know 1990
734 David Bowie Sound and Vision 1977
740 Neil Young Cortez the Killer 1975
747 Blondie Atomic 1979
749 Oasis Supersonic 1994
759 The Beatles Helter Skelter 1968
761 Green Day American Idiot 2004
763 The Jimi Hendrix Experience Little Wing 1967
768 Oasis Don't Look Back in Anger 1995
774 Vampire Weekend A-Punk 2007
776 The Black Keys Lonely Boy 2011
784 Haim The Wire 2013
785 The Beach Boys Surf's Up 1971
787 Manic Street Preachers Motorcycle Emptiness 1992
800 Bruce Springsteen The River 1980
817 Drake Hold On, We're Going Home 2013
823 David Bowie Rebel Rebel 1974
827 Bob Dylan Hurricane 1975
829 Queens of the Stone Age Feel Good Hit of the Summer 2000
830 Elbow One Day Like This 2008
838 Bruce Springsteen Atlantic City 1982
845 Al Green Love and Happiness 1972
850 Azealia Banks 212 2011
851 Neil Young with Crazy Horse Like a Hurricane 1977
856 Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds Into My Arms 1997
859 The Crickets Not Fade Away 1957
862 The Chemical Brothers Hey Boy Hey Girl 1999
863 Talking Heads Burning Down the House 1983
865 Chris Isaak Wicked Game 1989
866 Simon and Garfunkel Mrs. Robinson 1968
868 Lou Reed Satellite of Love 1972
870 The Libertines Time for Heroes 2002
871 Vampire Weekend Diane Young 2013
873 Rihanna feat. Calvin Harris We Found Love 2011
875 Pearl Jam Alive 1991
879 The Byrds I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better 1965
883 Beyoncé Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It) 2008
887 Fela and Africa 70 Zombie 1976
894 The Cure In Between Days 1985
896 Girls Lust for Life 2008
904 Justin Timberlake Mirrors 2013
907 John Coltrane My Favourite Things 1961
911 Wu-Tang Clan Protect Ya Neck 1993
912 Leonard Cohen Hallelujah 1984
913 Phil Collins In the Air Tonight 1981
914 Michael Jackson Rock with You 1979
917 Nick Drake River Man 1969
919 Pink Floyd Money 1973
924 The Beatles Can't Buy Me Love 1964
925 The Drifters Under the Boardwalk 1964
930 Arcade Fire Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels) 2004
932 David Bowie Where Are We Now? 2013
937 Elton John Rocket Man 1972
941 The Smiths What Difference Does It Make? 1984
945 The Strokes Someday 2001
946 Dead Kennedys Holiday in Cambodia 1980
948 Green Day Good Riddance (Time of Your Life) 1997
949 Bill Withers Lean on Me 1972
950 Ol' Dirty Bastard feat. Kelis Got Your Money 1999
955 Daft Punk Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger 2001
959 Clyde McPhatter & The Drifters Money Honey 1953
961 LCD Soundsystem I Can Change 2010
962 Edwyn Collins A Girl Like You 1994
967 The Doors L.A. Woman 1971
968 The Velvet Underground Sunday Morning 1966
970 Guns N' Roses Paradise City 1987
972 Fatboy Slim Praise You 1998
974 The Horrors Sea Within a Sea 2009
975 New Order Crystal 2001
980 Nine Inch Nails Hurt 1994
983 Deerhunter Nothing Ever Happened 2008
984 Leftfield feat. John Lydon Open Up 1993
985 Peter Gabriel Solsbury Hill 1977
987 Electric Six Danger! High Voltage 2002
992 Squeeze Up the Junction 1979
994 The Cars Just What I Needed 1978
996 Usher feat. Ludacris Yeah! 2004
997 R.E.M. Man on the Moon 1992
998 Foals Spanish Sahara 2010
1000 The Stone Roses I Am the Resurrection 1989

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Post by notdarkyet » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:44 pm

Which replace:

Abba - Waterloo
ABC - The Look of Love
AC/DC - Whole Lotta Rosie
Archie Bell & the Drells - Tighten Up
Aretha Franklin - Think
Arthur Conley - Sweet Soul Music
Augustus Pablo - King Tubby Meets the Rockers Uptown
Beach Boys - In My Room
Beach Boys - Surfin' USA
Beatles - Rain
BIg Bopper - Chantilly Lace
Blondie - Rapture
Bob Marley - One Love/People Get Ready
Brenda Lee - I'm Sorry
Bruce Springsteen - Dancing in the Dark
Buggles - Video Killed the Radio Star
Busta Rhymes - Woo Hah!! Got You All In Check
Buzzcocks - Orgasm Addict
Carter Family - Can the Circle Be Unbroken
Chantays - Pipeline
Chiffons - One Fine Day
Chi-Lites - Have You Seen Her
Contours - Do You Love Me
Curtis Mayfield - Superfly
Cut/Copy - Hearts on Fire
David Bowie - Fame
Del-Vikings - Come Go With Me
Destiny's Child - Say My Name
Dixie Cups - Chapel of Love
Donovan - Season of the Witch
Duane Eddy - Rebel Rouser
Elvis Costello - (I Don't Want To Go To) Chelsea
Elvis Costello - Radio, Radio
English Beat - Mirror in the Bathroom
Estelle - American Boy
Faces - Stay With Me
Fairport Convention - Who Knows Where the Time Goes?
Faith No More - Epic
Fats Waller - Ain't Misbehavin'
Fleetwood Mac - Oh Well
Flying Burrito Brothers - Sin City
Four Tops - Baby I Need Your Loving
Gil Scott-Heron - The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
Goldie - Inner City Life
Grateful Dead - Box of Rain
Grateful Dead - Dark Star
Grimes - Genesis
Guy Called Gerald - Voodoo Ray
Hank Williams - Cold, Cold Heart
Henry Mancini - Moon River
Herbie Hancock - Rockit
Ice Cube - It Was a Good Day
Impressions - For Your Precious Love
Isley Brothers - It's Your Thing
James Brown - Cold Sweat
Joe Cocker - With a Little Help From My Friends
John Prine - Sam Stone
Johnny Kidd & the Pirates - Shakin' All Over
Joni Mitchell - Free Man in Paris
Kanye West - Power
KC & the Sunshine Band - That's the Way (I Like It)
KLF - What Time is Love?
Led Zeppelin - Heatbreaker
Led Zeppelin - Immigrant Song
Little Richard - Lucille
Loretta Lynn - Coal Miner's Daughter
Lorraine Ellison - Stay With Me
Martha & the Muffins - Echo Beach
Marvin Gaye - Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology)
Michael Jackson - Thriller
Millie Small - My Boy Lollipop
Monkees - Last Train to Clarksville
Monotones - The Book of Love
Morrissey - Suedehead
O'Jays - Love Train
Parliament - Give Up the Funk (Tear da Roof off tha Sucker)
Paul Simon - Graceland
Peggy Lee - Fever
Pretenders - Back on the Chain Gang
Queen - We Will Rock You
Replacements - Bastards of Young
Rolling Stones - The Last Time
Rolling Stones - Miss You
Rolling Stones - Start Me Up
Rolling Stones - 19th Nervous Breakdown
Sex Pistols - Holiday in the Sun
Sister Sledge - We Are Family
Sly & the Family Stone - I Want to Take You Higher
Specials - Free Nelson Mandela
Staple Singers - I'll Take You There
Staple Singers - Respect Yourself
Suicide - Frankie Teardrop
Surfaris - Wipe Out
Sylvester - You make Me Feel (Mighty Real)
T-Bone Walker - Call it Stormy Monday (But Tuesday's Just as Bad)
Tim Buckley - Song to the Siren
Todd Rundgren - I Saw the Light
Toots & the Maytalls - 54-46 Was My Number
Trashmen - Surfin' Bird
U2 - I Will Follow
Ventures - Walk, Don't Run
Weather Report - Birdland
X-Ray Spex - Oh Bondage! Up Yours!
Yoko Ono - Walking on Thin Ice

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Post by Henry » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:24 pm

Great to see these additions to the top 100:

“Gimme Shelter” (#43)
“Get Lucky” (#46)
“All Along the Watchtower” (#70)
“99 Problems” (#76)
“California Dreamin’” (#85)
“Paranoid Android” (#97)

Not surprised that these songs dropped out:
“Summertime Blues” (#103 – 28 Places)
“Blue Suede Shoes” (#105 – 16 Places)
“Maybellene” (#107 – 24 Places)
“That’s All Right (#114 – 32 Places)
“No Woman No Cry” (#121 – 33 Places)
“Mystery Train” (#126 – 50 Places)
“Get Up (I Feel Like Being a) Sex Machine” (#130 – 53 Places)
“Walk On By” (#146 – 61 Places)
“Be-Bop-a-Lula” (#163 – 65 Places)

Bummer :-(
“Maggie May” (#104 – 14 Places)
“Every Breath You Take” (#106 – 12 Places)
“Eight Miles High” (#108 – 21 Places)
“Honky Tonk Women” (#112 – 16 Places)
“Yesterday” (#116 – 17 Places) - tough to see this one drop out
“Won’t Get Fooled Again (#122 – 31 Places) - tough to see this one drop out
“Oh, Pretty Woman” (#129 – 37 Places)

It appears that no song released after 1983 dropped out of the top 100. This seems a bit odd to me.

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Post by peteevans » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:45 pm

notdarkyet wrote:the 24 new albums entering the top 500 are the following:

green day - american idiot
outkast - aquemini
guided by voices - bee thousand
yeah yeah yeahs - fever to tell
radiohead - hail to the thief
deerhunter - halcyon digest

yo la tengo - i can hear the heart beating as one
godspeed you black emperor - lift yr skinny fists like antennas to heaven
vampire weekend - modern vampires of the city
boards of canada - music has the right to children
weezer - pinkerton
daft punk - random access memories

david bowie - scary monsters (and super creeps)
bloc party - silent alarm
brian wilson - smile
the prodigy - fat of the land
kanye west - yeezus
arcade fire - reflektor

at the drive in - relationship of command
james blake - james blake
kraftwerk - computerwelt
lcd soundsystem - this is happening
missy misdemeanor elliott - supa dupa fly
my bloody valentine - mbv

Jonathan, I have to agree with you completely. There are several issues I have with this web site that lead me to be of the opinion that it is totally flawed,whilst no one would disagree that it has been very well put together and a massive amount of work has gone into it.

Singles should no way be included as part of an artists ranking. Only the album confirms consistent excellence. Because of the weighting given to singles we get the likes of the Sex Pistols flying high in the chart on the strength of one album ! Or rather, one album with three or four great songs on it and the rest utter drivel.

Secondly, no weighting is given to artists as a whole, i.e. lists of who are regarded as the all time greats of popular music. That being the case then surely there is no need to have an all time great artists list. Just have the top albums and the top singles.

I can agree that weighting is given based on critical acclaim and votes for albums only. However, the problem is that if you drill down and look at the nature of these so called 'critics lists' they are completely skewed in favour of certain types of artist and are controlled by young critics, e.g. NME, Q magazine, Spin, etc, etc, with very little knowledge or experience of a broad history of popular music of all kinds, unlike the older established journals like Rolling Stone, Mojo, Uncut, Village Voice, All Music Guide, etc. Look at the recent example of the NME top 500 albums of all time. It was a complete and utter joke. Why ? Well it was voted for by so called experienced critics who in reality are barely out of nappies !

To me, why bother saying not to take the artists list seriously at all ? What is the point in doing it if it is completely unrepresentative of the general views of artists held by proper critics who have the experience and knowledge of the industry. There is no musician representation either, which is another major flaw.

Hence we get young critics with little musical knowledge proclaiming certain acts based on their very limited knowledge as all time greats of popular music, which is utter nonsense.

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Post by Bruce » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:49 pm

peteevans wrote: Singles should no way be included as part of an artists ranking.
Opposite. Only songs should count. They are counted double when t he album they are on is also counted. And before the late 60s albums did not matter much. Albums did not even exist really until the mid-1950s. If we listened to you acts like Billie Holiday, Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington would be nowhere to be found.

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Post by Chilton » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:55 pm

The artist ranking is simply a summary of the positions of the artists' most acclaimed albums and songs. Other aspects (e.g. live performances) are not counted for, so this artist ranking should not be taken too seriously.

If you think albums are more important than songs, or vice versa, you can use the top 200 artist pages, based on albums or songs alone.
*cough cough*

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Thanks, Chilton.
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