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2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Listyguy » Sat May 12, 2012 5:37 pm

Welcome to the AM World Cup Drafting Thread.
Here, post the two artists you would like to “own” for the cup. If you are the owner of a returning team (and have reclaimed them), please only select one other team (I have no picks in this draft). Please note that you must submit a list of eight songs that you would like to use for the artist’s matchups. Make sure they are listed in order (i.e. song 1 will be used for the artist’s first match up). You are allowed to change the list up until the match up starts. It is not clear yet whether amendments to lists will be public or not. If you fail to submit a list within a week, the artist will be available to the public again.

The following teams are not available: Queen, Jimi Hendrix, The Smiths, Bob Dylan, The Rolling Stones, and Steely Dan. (And any teams that have been drafted already)

The following teams are still available to be reclaimed by their owners from last year: Marvin Gaye (Nicolas), The Beach Boys (Andre), Bruce Springsteen (Drewcannon3), Michael Jackson (Alex D), New Order (Midaso), Pearl Jam (Rocky Raccoon) and Coldplay (Toni).
If these teams are not reclaimed, they will be available later in the lottery draft.

The following team must be drafted by somebody: Otis Redding.
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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Nick » Sat May 12, 2012 5:41 pm

Can I have Kanye West and U2?

Kanye West-

1. Runaway
2. Jesus Walks
3. Gone
4. Gold Digger
5. Stronger
6. Flashing Lights
7. Diamonds from Sierra Leone
8. Power

U2-

1. One
2. Sunday Bloody Sunday
3. I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For
4. With or Without You
5. Where the Streets Have No Name
6. Pride (In the Name of Love)
7. I Will Follow
8. Beautiful Day
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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Henry » Sat May 12, 2012 5:44 pm

I'll take Steely Dan and Stevie Wonder.
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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Moonbeam » Sat May 12, 2012 11:18 pm

Which artists are eligible to be taken that aren't on any of the lists you posted?

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Listyguy » Sun May 13, 2012 12:20 am

Moonbeam wrote:Which artists are eligible to be taken that aren't on any of the lists you posted?
Any Artist that hasn't been claimed and that isn't on the list of eligible reclaims can be taken.

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Post by slick » Sun May 13, 2012 2:46 am

The Smiths:

1.) Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me
2.) This Charming Man
3.) How Soon Is Now
4.) William, It Was Really Nothing
5.) There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
6.) Hand In Glove
7.) Panic
8.) Bigmouth Strikes Again

For my second team... my first choice is The Cure:

1.) Shake Dog Shake
2.) Just Like Heaven
3.) Boys Don't Cry
4.) Pictures Of You
5.) In Between Days
6.) The Blood
7.) Lovesong
8.) Charlotte Sometimes

If I do not get The Cure, I would like The National, Arcade Fire or The Shins.

I will be out of town Wednesday-Sunday without internet access so If I do not get The Cure and you start round #1 I will submit Bloodbuzz Ohio, Rebellion (Lies) or Phantom Limb and finish the remaining lists the following week.

Thanks.

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Post by Moonbeam » Sun May 13, 2012 10:59 am

Gap Band:

1. Burn Rubber (Why You Wanna Hurt Me)
2. Outstanding
3. You Dropped a Bomb on Me
4. I Don't Believe You Wanna Get Up and Dance (Oops!)
5. Early in the Morning
6. Season's No Reason to Change
7. Party Train
8. Yearning for Your Love

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Listyguy » Sun May 13, 2012 1:59 pm

Slick, the Cure is all yours. And the anticipated start of round 1 is June 3, so you have time.
And Moonbeam, Prince is available in case that's what you were wondering :P

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Jirin » Sun May 13, 2012 11:08 pm

Let's see. I already have one of the same people I managed last year so I'll leave Tom Waits and Elvis Costello for other people to pick up.

Part of me really wants to go with Jorge Ben, and the only reason not to is that I don't know any of the names of his songs and it'd be hard to select.

It's tough to find that cross section of 'Not obvious' and 'Stands a chance'.

Screw it, I'll go with Jorge Ben. If somebody else who knows him better wants him, I will trade him for one of your slots. :mrgreen:

I thought we weren't picking our songs publicly this year.

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Seanywack » Mon May 14, 2012 1:42 am

If Toni does not reclaim Coldplay, I'll take them.
1. Shiver
2. Green Eyes
3. Glass of Water
4. Hurts Like Heaven
5. Strawberry Swing
6. 'Til Kingdom Come
7. Clocks
8. Yellow

And Radiohead:
1. The National Anthem
2. Pop Is Dead
3. No Surprises
4. Videotape
5. Let Down
6. Fake Plastic Trees
7. Street Spirit
8. Yellow

If I can't have either of these, I'll take Arcade Fire or Vampire Weekend.

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Stephan » Mon May 14, 2012 8:40 am

The Rolling Stones:
1. One Hit (To the Body)
2. Fight
3. Harlem Shuffle
4. Hold Back
5. Too Rude
6. Winning Ugly
7. Back to Zero
8. Dirty Work

Betty Davis:
1. Dedicated To The Press
2. Anti Love Song
3. If I'm In Luck I Might Get Picked Up
4. F.U.N.K.
5. He Was A Big Freak
6. Nasty Gal
7. Talkin' Trash
8. You and I

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by nicolas » Mon May 14, 2012 11:39 am

I can take the boss if it's not too late

I can take the boss if it's not too late

1. Badlands
2. Dancing In The Dark
3. Candy's Room
4. Jungleland
5. Atlantic City
6. The River
7. Thunder Road
8. Born To Run

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Jirin » Mon May 14, 2012 5:36 pm

Someone clarify, do we need to pick song lists at this point? I thought we weren't picking songs until we knew who our opponent was, and I definitely thought we weren't revealing them until both are chosen.

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Stephan » Mon May 14, 2012 7:32 pm

Yeah, that's what I thought as well, which is why I nominated the first 8 tracks off Dirty Work for The Rolling Stones, rather than my actual picks.

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Listyguy » Mon May 14, 2012 10:14 pm

Jirin wrote:Someone clarify, do we need to pick song lists at this point? I thought we weren't picking songs until we knew who our opponent was, and I definitely thought we weren't revealing them until both are chosen.
I just want songs lists to prevent the team from not having a song to play.
Of course, the songs lists can be adjusted up until the match starts based on your opponent. The only major discrepancy at this point is whether or not changes to the lists will be public or private.
Also, everyone who have asked for an artist has gotten them (except for Coldplay and Bruce Springsteen, who can still be reclaimed by their owners from last year).
Also, Nicolas, do you want to reclaim your Marvin Gaye team?

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Jirin » Tue May 15, 2012 2:43 am

If lists are going to be public, we should have a rule that if one person changes their song, their opponent gets an opportunity to change their song in response before the match starts. That way nobody can put forth something weak then cram in a change right before the deadline.

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Post by John » Tue May 15, 2012 3:30 am

Beatles:

1. Yesterday
2. Strawberry Fields Forever
3. Hey Jude
4. A Day In the Life
5. Happiness is a Warm Gun
6. Tomorrow Never Knows
7. Something
8. In My Life

Pixies:

1. Monkey Gone to Heaven
2. Debaser
3. Where Is My Mind
4. Here Comes Your Man
5. Gigantic
6. Wave of Mutilation
7. Mr. Grieves
8. Blown Away

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Post by John » Tue May 15, 2012 3:34 am

OK, so I just read this thread, and the prep one and I'm a little confused on how this works since I've never played before. Can someone fill me in on the concept? I want to play and I grabbed the two bands I wanted but I'm not sure if I chose the songs right.

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Listyguy » Tue May 15, 2012 9:24 pm

@Jirin: This is fair enough
@John: This game basically follows World Cup format, where there are 4 team "pools", and each team within the pool faces off, and the top two teams advance to the playoff round. With your song lists, the song you want the artist to use week 1 should be first on the list, and so on.

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Post by John » Tue May 15, 2012 9:49 pm

Can songs repeat? Maybe songs should be private then until the matchups start...

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Post by Stephan » Tue May 15, 2012 10:01 pm

No, once a song is played it cannot be used again. I believe the only exception to this is the tie-breaker situation, where Listy allows you to pick any song (but a second tie-breaker cannot use the song from the first one).

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Listyguy » Tue May 15, 2012 10:19 pm

John wrote:Can songs repeat? Maybe songs should be private then until the matchups start...
As Stephan said, songs are not allowed to be repeated (except in tie-breakers), and you are allowed to change your songs list up until the match starts.

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Post by Listyguy » Thu May 17, 2012 9:56 pm

Jimi Hendrix list:

1- Fire
2- If 6 Was 9
3- May This Be Love
4- Little Wing
5- Hey Joe
6- Voodoo Child (Slight Return)
7- Purple Haze
8- All Along the Watchtower

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Jirin » Fri May 18, 2012 2:14 pm

Positively 4th Street
Million Dollar Bash
Tombstone Blues
All Along The Watchtower
Idiot Wind
One Of Us Most Know (Sooner Or Later)
Like A Rolling Stone
I Want You

I'll get the Jorge Ben picks up ASAP. If you need placeholders just go with the first eight tracks on Samba Esqeuma Novo.

Any Jorge Ben experts, tips and suggestions are welcomed.

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Post by Henry » Mon May 21, 2012 2:41 am

Steely Dan

1 Reelin' In the Years
2 Don't Take Me Alive
3 Rikki Don't Lose That Number
4 Doctor Wu
5 My Old School
6 Aja
7 Kid Charlemagne
8 Parker's Band

Stevie Wonder
1 Another Star
2 Superstition
3 Golden Lady
4 You Are The Sunshine of My Life
5 Creepin'
6 I Was Made To Love Her
7 Living for the City
8 Superwoman

Suggestions for modifications of these lists are welcome.

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by John » Tue May 22, 2012 1:36 am

I'm still not grasping everything about this game, but I think I'll catch on. When are we starting?

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Jirin » Tue May 22, 2012 1:52 pm

John:

The idea of the game is that it's a World Cup style knockout tournament with bands, only we're not voting for the band we like better, we're voting for one song by the band we like better. So maybe it's the Beatles against Jimi Hendrix. The Beatles manager chose Rain and the Jimi Hendrix manager chose Manic Depression. So, you vote between which of those two songs you like, and the winner moves on.

So, it's basically an artist voting game with strategy.

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Post by Stephan » Tue May 22, 2012 2:02 pm

Important here is that you may want to save your hit songs for the later rounds in which you may be facing tougher opponents.

Jirin: For Jorge Ben I would say start off with a varied set of tracks to expose people to all he has to offer. To represent his samba-rock period several cuts off A Tábua de Esmeralda (e.g. Zumbi), and Força Bruta (anything, really) would be good as they are probably the most accessible albums, and as you already indicated Samba Esquema Novo can easily represent his early samba period. Finally, I think his later funk period, and mainly África Brasil, really needs to be heard, of which Ponta de Lança Africano (Umbabarauma) and Taj Mahal are strong cuts.

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Post by Listyguy » Tue May 22, 2012 9:52 pm

That you all for helping explain the game to John.

I was planning to start this on June 3, but considering we only have 10 managers right now (and need 16-22), it may take longer.

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Post by John » Tue May 22, 2012 10:43 pm

So, the lists now really mean nothing or do we have to have an initial list and can change what song we choose from that list up until the matchup. This is how I'm reading it: Initial lists already posted: set in stone once the tournament starts, but you can choose any song from that list for each matchup. I think I'm getting confused because it feels like the initial lists shouldn't be public at all.

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Post by Moonbeam » Wed May 23, 2012 12:24 am

I think I'll let somebody else take Prince this time. I don't want to hog him!

Can I still draft another artist?

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Post by Nassim » Wed May 23, 2012 4:41 pm

I would like to take LCD Soundsystem again, I feel like I have been robbed the last time...

I hesitate for the second, maybe Elliott Smith, or a little fun with Animal Collective... if I take the Wu Tang, can I include solo albums from the various members ?

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Post by Jirin » Wed May 23, 2012 5:07 pm

I don't know, last year we did it so those were your nominations, but you could change any time up to the start of the match. But this led some people to first pick a weak song, then when their opponent picked a weak song in response, change it out with a classic at the last minute so their opponent had no time to change in response.

I'm hoping this year the lists we declare now will just work as placeholders in case somebody disappears or something, so we don't have to sit and wait for everyone to make a pick. This year I'm thinking matches will be announced one day before they start and we can declare any changes privately to Listy.

(Like, these picks are just your defaults, and the real picks are made secretly)

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Post by nicolas » Wed May 23, 2012 7:01 pm

Code: Select all

I won't coach Marvin gaye this time. Just Bruce

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Post by John » Wed May 23, 2012 10:39 pm

Jirin wrote: I'm hoping this year the lists we declare now will just work as placeholders in case somebody disappears or something, so we don't have to sit and wait for everyone to make a pick. This year I'm thinking matches will be announced one day before they start and we can declare any changes privately to Listy.

(Like, these picks are just your defaults, and the real picks are made secretly)
Yeah, this makes sense.

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Post by Listyguy » Thu May 24, 2012 1:35 am

@Moonbeam: You only have one team, you may take another.

@Nassim: Sorry, you can't use solo stuff by the artists.

@John & Jirin: I'm not sure that "secret" is the right way to describe it. Changes will be public, and the opponent will be allowed to respond to any douche bag moves like changing your song at the last minute.

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by John » Thu May 24, 2012 3:04 am

Fair enough, this is my first time playing, I'm just along for the ride. :D

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Post by Moonbeam » Tue May 29, 2012 11:56 am

My second team will be Zapp:

1. More Bounce to the Ounce
2. Be Alright
3. I Can Make You Dance
4. Dance Floor
5. Playin' Kinda Rough
6. Heartbreaker
7. Do You Really Want an Answer?
8. Computer Love

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Post by Toni » Wed May 30, 2012 1:34 am

Hey, nice to be in the forum again! I've moved to another city in the beggining of the year, and since then it's the first time I visit the site. At least I came here before the closing of the draft thread for AM World Cup, my favorite game from last year. Well, no Coldplay for me this time. Taking them to the big 8 last year was already a victory for me, haha! This time I'd like to go with Arcade Fire, if possible. Maybe I choose another artist later, but for now I keep only with Win and Co.

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Post by Zorg » Wed May 30, 2012 2:11 am

I'd like to do Frank Zappa/The Mothers of Invention (as listed on AM)

1. Peaches en Regalia
2. Absolutely Free
3. The Little House I Used To Live In
4. The Gumbo Variations
5. Valarie
6. Trouble Every Day
7. Brown Shoes Don't Make It
8. Hungry Freaks, Daddy

God, that was hard...

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Toni » Wed May 30, 2012 2:57 am

Do I have to make my lineup right now?
Then, let's go:

1) Neighboorhood #2 (Laika)
2) Ready to Start
3) We Used to Wait
4) Keep the Car Running
5) Sprawl II (Mountains Beyond Mountains)
6) Wake Up
7) Neighboorhood #1 (Tunnels)
8) Rebellion (Lies)

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Listyguy » Wed May 30, 2012 9:37 pm

It's good to see somebody reviving this thread. We still need a lot more teams before this game can get underway though. :x

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Listyguy » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:16 pm

Ok, there is clearly no more mystique around the AM World Cup, so I don't think I will be running it.

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Post by Stephan » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:33 pm

That's a shame, how many teams do we have right now?

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Listyguy » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:44 pm

Stephan wrote:That's a shame, how many teams do we have right now?
We have 22 teams with 13 managers (and this thread has been open for nearly a month), just about a third of the needed 64 teams. :angry-banghead:

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by John » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:33 pm

64 teams is going to be tough in this small community. Is it possible to cut the field to 32?

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Listyguy » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:27 pm

John wrote:64 teams is going to be tough in this small community. Is it possible to cut the field to 32?
Believe it or not, last year I had more than enough (some managers that requested a third team didn't get them last year). As much as I would like to do that, it wouldn't work without the four-team pools. :oops:

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Stephan » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:59 am

Why not? We'd simply use 8 pools instead of 16 and the top two artists go through to the next round. This is the actual setup of the FIFA World Cup as well. The only change that would bring about is that an artist that gets to the final plays 7 matches, and thus everyone only get to nominate 7 songs.

That said, it is a shame that interested has waned that much, it's something that seems to be happening in other games as well.

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Re: 2012 AM World Cup: Drafting Thread

Post by Listyguy » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:08 pm

I suppose that could work. However, as you pointed out, I don't want to run a poll for such a limited number of people. However, I will re-open drafting, and if we get enough teams (32) by next Sunday (June 17), I will run the poll.

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