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AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:31 am
by Pierre
I can't believe it's been a year already. What a year though. Not a very good one. The world isn't in a very good state right now, although here in France the population is in higher spirits than usual.

Anyway. Time to run the third demographics poll to see where we're standing. Here are the results from the last one:

Canada: 3
Western U.S. (including Alaska and Hawaii): 8
Midwestern U.S.: 6
Southern/Southeast U.S.: 6
Northeast U.S.: 7
Latin America: 3
U.K. and Ireland: 7
Nordic countries (Scandinavia, Finland and Iceland): 2
Benelux (Belgium, The Netherlands and Luxembourg): 4
Germany, Switzerland and Austria: 1
France: 5
Spain and Portugal: 2
Italy and Greece: 0
Eastern Europe: 1
Africa: 2
Middle East: 0
Russia: 0
Mongolia, China, Japan and Korea: 1
India and Southeast Asia: 2
Australia + New Zealand (and Oceania): 4

Back in its early days, the forum was largely populated by Europeans, but in the last couple years America definitely overtook it. We'll see if it's still the case as of today. Another question is whether we have more lurkers from the rest of the world. I'd really love to see our little community finally expand beyond its Northern America/Western Europe base. We do have some active members from elsewhere, but they're still a minority.

And also, if you're Sun Ra's neighbour, I'm sorry that Saturn isn't an available option, and please don't hesitate to share some news about how he's doing.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:02 am
by Henrik
Great Pierre! I hope a lot of people participate to make a really good overview of us forumers.

I noted that people from the Caribbean might not have a suitable option available. Since there are already 20 alternatives, which is the maximum for forum polls, maybe it can be claified that the Caribbean is included in "Latin America".

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:12 am
by Pierre
Henrik wrote:Great Pierre! I hope a lot of people participate to make a really good overview of us forumers.

I noted that people from the Caribbean might not have a suitable option available. Since there are already 20 alternatives, which is the maximum for forum polls, maybe it can be claified that the Caribbean is included in "Latin America".
Well, it gave me the occasion to learn how I could edit the options available in the poll! Caribbean added to Latin America :)

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:02 am
by Pierre
OK, time to start the bumpfest. So far, America and Rest of the world are being shy. C'mon guys :P

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:58 am
by madzong
Pierre wrote:OK, time to start the bumpfest. So far, America and Rest of the world are being shy. C'mon guys :P
Just voted! (For NZ) I wonder if the other votes are just Australians or is there another Kiwi here?

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:24 pm
by Maschine_Man
There are 5 of us now! At least!

(Aussie in London)

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:09 pm
by DaveC
madzong wrote:
Just voted! (For NZ) I wonder if the other votes are just Australians or is there another Kiwi here?
I can tell from your book lists that you were born here. I wasn't, but I've been a Jaffa since 1988. I support the All-Blacks, but try to avoid "Loyal" as much as possible.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:45 pm
by Live in Phoenix
I put Arizona as Western U.S.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:59 am
by Listyguy
Where did all these Aussies come from? I must have missed that takeover.

As for me, I'm Northeast US through and through (live in New York, study in Boston)

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:11 am
by StevieFan13
Listyguy wrote:Where did all these Aussies come from? I must have missed that takeover.

As for me, I'm Northeast US through and through (live in New York, study in Boston)
Live in NYC, studying in Saratoga.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:43 am
by notbrianeno
Native Ohioan, currently residing in St. Louis, MO

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:44 am
by madzong
DaveC wrote:
madzong wrote:
Just voted! (For NZ) I wonder if the other votes are just Australians or is there another Kiwi here?
I can tell from your book lists that you were born here. I wasn't, but I've been a Jaffa since 1988. I support the All-Blacks, but try to avoid "Loyal" as much as possible.
Where did you live before living in Auckland?

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:45 am
by madzong
Listyguy wrote:Where did all these Aussies come from? I must have missed that takeover.

As for me, I'm Northeast US through and through (live in New York, study in Boston)
And New Zealanders :D

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:40 pm
by DaveC
madzong wrote:
Where did you live before living in Auckland?
Actually Birmingham. I was born in the UK and I've lived and worked in London, Johannesburg, Amsterdam and Antwerp. Now Howick.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:39 pm
by madzong
DaveC wrote:
madzong wrote:
Where did you live before living in Auckland?
Actually Birmingham. I was born in the UK and I've lived and worked in London, Johannesburg, Amsterdam and Antwerp. Now Howick.
Funny! New Zealand is a small place! I used to live in Pakuranga :P

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:25 pm
by DaveC
madzong wrote: Funny! New Zealand is a small place! I used to live in Pakuranga :P
So did I! Just off Cascades Road.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:41 pm
by Jackson
Since I've been a member of this site I've been in Athens, GA, New York City, and now LA for the last two years.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:46 pm
by Jirin
Lifelong Bostonian here.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:53 am
by Dexter
On a somewhat related note, does anybody know the male to female ratio in AMF? how about the average age of the members? I get a feeling that in forum is male dominated born between the 70s-90s.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:01 am
by Pierre
Boomp!
Dexter wrote:On a somewhat related note, does anybody know the male to female ratio in AMF? how about the average age of the members? I get a feeling that in forum is male dominated born between the 70s-90s.
If you're really interested, we can make that a three-phase poll ;) I usually have this one last for a month; I don't mind going further to do a complete demographics review of the AM community. I don't think I'll do ethnic origins and religions, though.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:12 am
by Romain
Always lived in Lyon, ARA, and now, a little outside the city. Brown hair, a marvelous wife, a marvelous dog, a marvelous Guinea Pig and a pure atheist... for simplicity :-)

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:02 am
by Dexter
Pierre wrote:If you're really interested, we can make that a three-phase poll ;) I usually have this one last for a month; I don't mind going further to do a complete demographics review of the AM community. I don't think I'll do ethnic origins and religions, though.
That'd be great. I'm really interested, only for the gender and age demographics one.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:04 pm
by Pierre
Mid-August bump. Currently, there's ten less votes than last time, if my maths didn't betray me.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:37 am
by Rob
I still live in The Netherlands I think.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:06 am
by Henrik
Where are my Nordic pals?

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:15 pm
by Pierre
A bump, for the heck of it. We've finally reached the same number of votes as last year, but the results are a bit different.

And Henrik is right, where are you, our Norsemen friends? :P

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:45 pm
by panam
Most people are...from New York?

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:54 am
by StevieFan13
panam wrote:Most people are...from New York?
Bada-boom

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:03 am
by Pierre
panam wrote:Most people are...from New York?
More exactly, the most important group of people on the forum are from New York ;)

This is a big change from the early years of the forum a decade ago, when most people seemed to be from Europe. But not that surprising: nowadays, the most recent acclaimed albums and songs tend to reflect the tastes of Northeast U.S. critics', as Pitchfork is currently the most influential publication in professional music criticism. I'm not sure how long this domination will last - Pitchfork has dominated music criticism for 15-20 years now, and that's about when Rolling Stone ran out of fuel back in their heyday. But I'm digressing.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:42 pm
by andyd1010
Pierre wrote:
panam wrote:Most people are...from New York?
More exactly, the most important group of people on the forum are from New York ;)
Hey now, the northeast U.S. has more than just New York. I'm from the Boston area and live in Connecticut now.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:19 pm
by Pierre
andyd1010 wrote:
Pierre wrote:
panam wrote:Most people are...from New York?
More exactly, the most important group of people on the forum are from New York ;)
Hey now, the northeast U.S. has more than just New York. I'm from the Boston area and live in Connecticut now.
Don't take it too seriously, it's just the rest of the world teasing America a bit ;)

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:31 pm
by andyd1010
Pierre wrote:
andyd1010 wrote:
Pierre wrote:
More exactly, the most important group of people on the forum are from New York ;)
Hey now, the northeast U.S. has more than just New York. I'm from the Boston area and live in Connecticut now.
Don't take it too seriously, it's just the rest of the world teasing America a bit ;)
Oh I know. Boston has a bit of a rivalry with New York though, so I had to make the distinction. Although half of my coworkers commute from New York, so it's not far off to say I'm from New York now.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:06 am
by Pierre
Probably the last bump or second-to-last bump before the end of this poll. Impressive to see we crossed the 70 votes line this time! However, Scandinavian members still didn't vote (aside from Henrik, of course), it looks like we lost Africa and Northern Asia is still uncharted territory for AM. Eight days left to correct that.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:17 am
by Pierre
One last bump for the road, but not much movement expected I guess. It'll soon be time to conclude for this year!

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:02 am
by Pierre
One day left. Tomorrow starts the second phase of the demographics poll, as requested by Dexter :)

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:06 pm
by Pierre
Time to close this one. AM remains even more so than before a Western world thing, with 34 members from America, including 31 from North America and 29 from the States alone, and 30 from Europe, plus, surprisingly enough, seven members from Australia and NZ. Only 2 members are from elsewhere, namely India and Southeast Asia. It's not today that AM will be conquering the rest of the world.

The results are not completely exact, as I expect that Dan (from South Africa) or Harold (from Scandinavia) didn't vote, for instance. But this wouldn't affect the results much, obviously.

And now let's start the second phase of the demographics poll for this year, namely the age of the members.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:29 am
by Henrik
Dan lives in the UK now and Harold is from the US as far as I'm aware...

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:24 am
by VanillaFire1000
I guess I should have checked the China/Korea/Japan one? I've been living in Taiwan for 6 years now...

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:34 am
by Pauler
From the land of V-Pop that is. :) Hi everyone.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:36 am
by Pierre
Henrik wrote:Dan lives in the UK now and Harold is from the US as far as I'm aware...
Then I was misinformed. Thanks for the clarification!

VanillaFire1000 wrote:I guess I should have checked the China/Korea/Japan one? I've been living in Taiwan for 6 years now...
I'm not strict, you can check wherever you feel your heart is ;)

Though since you're in Taiwan, if you could find someone to transcribe (not translate) this list in Roman alphabet, that would be cool :P

http://www.books.com.tw/activity/2008/1 ... _1992.html
http://www.books.com.tw/activity/2008/1 ... _2005.html
Pauler wrote:From the land of V-Pop that is. :) Hi everyone.
Hey, cool! Welcome to the forum!

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:28 pm
by VanillaFire1000
I could actually do alot of that myself with my wife if we ever had some. Transcribing includes artists too, right? I know several artists here would go under different names completely depending on if you used their English or Mandarin name.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:45 pm
by Pierre
VanillaFire1000 wrote:I could actually do alot of that myself with my wife if we ever had some. Transcribing includes artists too, right? I know several artists here would go under different names completely depending on if you used their English or Mandarin name.
Actually, I don't know how it works. I can read the most important Japanese signs so that's why I posted several Japanese lists, but with these a direct transfer to the Roman alphabet is relatively easy once you have the bases. I don't know how Mandarin works in comparison.

One of these lists contained, for instance, a couple Chinese entries:

- 鄧麗君 - 淡淡幽情 which I transferred as Teresa Teng - Dàndàn yōuqíng as suggested by Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandan_youqing

And:

- 老崔 - 红旗下的蛋 which I transferred as Cui Jian - Hóngqí xià de dàn/Balls Under the Red Flag once again as suggested by Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balls_Under_the_Red_Flag

This time, I added the English translation because it's an official one featured on the album cover art. That was my general rule with Japanese album titles as well.

But as I said, I don't know how it generally works otherwise for Mandarin :( :?: I was only asking that half-seriously, if it's a ridiculously difficult task, then drop it ;)

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:55 pm
by Dan
Pierre wrote:I expect that Dan (from South Africa)... didn't vote
Henrik wrote:Dan lives in the UK now
I did vote, and yes, I selected the UK & Ireland option. I grew up in South Africa but have lived most of my adult life in the UK and I'm a British citizen now (which may or may not mean shit when freakin' Brexit finally comes into effect). I still understand South Africans better than I understand the British, yet I feel more British than South African. I'm not patriotic either way - patriotism is one of those things in life that baffles me.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:59 pm
by Pierre
Dan wrote:I'm not patriotic either way - patriotism is one of those things in life that baffles me.
That's something I wholeheartedly agree with, and I feel we don't hear it enough these days. Thanks and sorry for the confusion :)

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:06 pm
by StevieFan13
Pierre wrote:
Dan wrote:I'm not patriotic either way - patriotism is one of those things in life that baffles me.
That's something I wholeheartedly agree with, and I feel we don't hear it enough these days. Thanks and sorry for the confusion :)
I dunno. If my country does something really good, I feel patriotic. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened much these days (save for the protests in response to my country's horseshit).

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:59 am
by Pierre
StevieFan13 wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Dan wrote:I'm not patriotic either way - patriotism is one of those things in life that baffles me.
That's something I wholeheartedly agree with, and I feel we don't hear it enough these days. Thanks and sorry for the confusion :)
I dunno. If my country does something really good, I feel patriotic. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened much these days (save for the protests in response to my country's horseshit).
In Europe, nationalism and patriotism have left deep scars which still make many people suffer to this day (although it unfortunately tends to fade away as history marches on).

More generally, I personally don't care at all for nations and homelands and such. The existence of a civilization is a bleep on the radar of history, and as an irreligious and generally non-ideological person, I don't have any emotional or otherwise deep-rooted attachment to the existence of nations.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:38 am
by veganvalentine
I live in Orange County, California, home of Leo Fender, No Doubt, Jackson Browne, and Jeff Buckley. I had no idea Fender was from here, but that gives us some serious bragging rights.

Re: AM demographics poll - 2017 edition

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:12 am
by Moonbeam
Voted Australia, though I lived my first 26 years in the U.S.