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Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:00 pm
by Brad
Welcome to Round 2.1 of Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019!
You've heard 'em all at least once, why not give 'em another spin?

Vote for your favorite album in each match-up.
Remember, anyone can vote as long as the voter has heard both albums.

Good-spirited comments are encouraged, but not absolutely necessary.
Deadline = July 30th at 10am EST.

Here's a link to the bracket for the entire tournament:
http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?t ... Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019

Match-ups:
1. Fiona Apple - Tidal vs. Grimes - Art Angels
2. Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine vs. Elton John - Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt
3. Margaret Glaspy - Emotions and Math vs. Ravi Shankar - Shankar Family and Friends
4. Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening vs. Section 25 - From the Hip


Mountains come out of the sky
... and they stand there!

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:20 pm
by Honorio
As I did on the last four editions I'm going to include some (minor) stats about the nominated albums:

a) RYM Rating:
Again we have our moderately acclaimed albums mostly with a RYM rating between 3,00 and 3,99 (with 98,42% of the albums included there with 74,8% between 3,51 a 4,00). We are following the trend of the last years with a continuous decline on the overall quality of the albums selected (if the RYM is an indication of quality). This year we had a significant drop of the rating, with a mean of 3,612755906. On the previous 4 years we had a quite similar mean from 2015 to 2017 (3,65503937 in 2015, 3,65265625 in 2016 and 3,6553125 in 2017) with a drop on 2018 (3,623515625) that deepens this year. The graphic shows the reason why, these time we had 51,18% of the albums between 3,51 and 3,75 and only 23,62% between 3.76 and 4,00, the previous years the percentage between 3,51 and 3,75 was 37,5% (2018), 36,71% (2017) and 40,62% (2016).



This year the standard deviation was low (0,213160238) and we had only 3 albums outside the limits (less than 3.00 and higher than 4.00) with 2 albums ranked higher than 4 and 1 album lower than 3. Anyone want to have a guess? Some clues:
a) One of the highest ranked albums is the sixth older album on the tournament.
b) The style of the highest ranked album is (no surprises here) Prog-Rock.
c) The album ranked under 3 was released on 1992, the mean value of year of release of the game (as you can see on the next point).
Any takers?

b) Year of release:
This year we returned to our usual mean, 1992 (it was the same on 3 of the last 5 years). Last year we had a much higher mean, 1995, with a lot of albums from the 2000s decade. This year's recession was in part, as Rob suspected, because of a lot of of Post-Punk albums (there were no less than 8 albums from the year 1980). But mainly it was due to a higher representation of 1990s albums, as you can see on the following graphic:



c) Nationality:

This year we had significantly less albums from USA with a similar increase of the UK albums (Post- Punk again?). And we had 17 different nationalities. On the following graphic you will find the countries with more than one album on the game. The countries with an only album were, alphabetically, Ethiopia, Germany, Iceland, India, Jamaica, Norway, Russia and Senegal.



My nominations performed quite well, 5 of my 6 nominations passed to the second round. Only Ry Cooder's "Paris, Texas" was eliminated.

And now my votes:



3. Fiona Apple - Tidal (1996) vs. 5. Grimes - Art Angels (2015)
4. Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine (1980) vs. 6. Elton John - Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy (1975)
8. Margaret Glaspy - Emotions and Math (2016) vs. 2. Ravi Shankar - Shankar Family and Friends (1974)
1. Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening (1989) vs. 7. Section 25 - From the Hip (1984)

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:27 pm
by andyd1010
Tidal!

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:30 pm
by Brad
Honorio wrote:c) The album ranked under 3 was released on 1992, the mean value of year of release of the game
Going with 4 Non Blondes on this one...

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:36 pm
by Rdwdbob
GRIMES - ART ANGELS

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:57 pm
by Rob
Honorio wrote: This year the standard deviation was low (0,213160238) and we had only 3 albums outside the limits (less than 3.00 and higher than 4.00) with 2 albums ranked higher than 4 and 1 album lower than 3. Anyone want to have a guess? Some clues:
a) One of the highest ranked albums is the sixth older album on the tournament.
b) The style of the highest ranked album is (no surprises here) Prog-Rock.
c) The album ranked under 3 was released on 1992, the mean value of year of release of the game (as you can see on the next point).
Any takers?
One of the highest ranked is easy: Animals by Pink Floyd. If I recall correctly it even ranks in the top 25, or at least 50.
The other one I'm not sure of, but if I must guess I'd go for Young Team by Mogwai.

And the 4 Non Blondes album is obvious as the one RYM doesn't like. It is everything RYM hates.

As of my own nominations, I'm used to do well here (as opposed to song based polls, on which my nominations are basically canon fodder), but this year was terrible. Only Jesca Hoop (which is not going to get far) and my Moderately Acclaimed Album of 2018 nomination by Kadhja Bonet proceeded.

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:02 pm
by Brad
Also, Predictions Leaderboard after Round One:
SweepstakesRon leads with 50 points.
BangJan and I are tied for second, each with 46 points.

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:18 pm
by acroamor
Very pleased with how round one turned out. I got 4 of my 6 nominations in. And it looks like I'm guaranteed to have an album in round three - two of my albums wound up facing one another for round two. I won't spoil which ones so not to bias anyone.

1. Fiona Apple - Tidal
2. Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine
3. Margaret Glaspy - Emotions and Math

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:12 pm
by FrankLotion
Only two of my nominations made it to the second round and barely at that...anyway here are my picks for this week:

1. Grimes - Art Angels
2. Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine
3. Ravi Shankar - Shankar Family and Friends
4. Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:28 pm
by StevieFan13
Tidal
Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy
Emotions and Math
Deep Listening

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:58 pm
by Honorio
Brad wrote:Going with 4 Non Blondes on this one...
Rob wrote:One of the highest ranked is easy: Animals by Pink Floyd. If I recall correctly it even ranks in the top 25, or at least 50.
The other one I'm not sure of, but if I must guess I'd go for Young Team by Mogwai.

And the 4 Non Blondes album is obvious as the one RYM doesn't like. It is everything RYM hates.
Brad and Rob, your guesses were right:
- "Bigger, Better, Faster, More!" by 4 Non Blondes has the lowest RYM rating with 2,75
- And "Animals" by Pink Floyd has the highest rating with 4,10
It only lacks one. Like I said it's an old album, early 1960s...

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:45 pm
by DaveC
I hope the other 4+ album is "It's my way"

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:01 pm
by DaveC
1. Fiona Apple - Tidal vs. Grimes - Art Angels
2. Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine vs. Elton John - Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt
3. Margaret Glaspy - Emotions and Math vs. Ravi Shankar - Shankar Family and Friends
4. Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening vs. Section 25 - From the Hip

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:14 pm
by Rdwdbob
ELTON JOHN - CAPTAIN FANTASTIC AND THE BROWN DIRT COWBOY

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:11 am
by prosecutorgodot
Honorio wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:58 pm
It only lacks one. Like I said it's an old album, early 1960s...
Live at the Star Club, Hamburg?

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:30 am
by Rob
I forgot about the hint for the old album.
prosecutorgodot wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:11 am
Honorio wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:58 pm
It only lacks one. Like I said it's an old album, early 1960s...
Live at the Star Club, Hamburg?
I think that is the best guess. Unless it is At Last!, but that would surprise me.

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:04 am
by Honorio
DaveC wrote:I hope the other 4+ album is "It's my way"
prosecutorgodot wrote:Live at the Star Club, Hamburg?
Rob wrote:I think that is the best guess. Unless it is At Last!, but that would surprise me.
Exactly, prosecutorgodot! Jerry Lee got a 4,01 on RYM!

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:04 am
by PlasticRam
1. Fiona Apple - Tidal vs. Grimes - Art Angels
2. Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine vs. Elton John - Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:36 pm
by Jirin
Art Angels 87 - Tidal 85
Captain Fantastic 84 - Heartattack and Vine 84 (Tiebreak to Elton for best song)
Shankar Family and Friends 94 - Emotions and Math 85
Deep Listening 76 - From The Hip 73

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:40 pm
by Jirin
I don’t even remember which ones I nominated. There’s at least 2 alive that nobody else but me would have nominated. Not sure if any more.

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:06 pm
by DaveC
Jirin wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:40 pm
I don’t even remember which ones I nominated. There’s at least 2 alive that nobody else but me would have nominated. Not sure if any more.
Yes I have that problem too. There are always a several of my favourite albums nominated. I went back to my PM to Brad and find I still have 4 nominations alive. Surprising really as I tend to go mostly for Unacclaimed albums.

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:36 pm
by jamieW
Fiona Apple - Tidal
Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine
Ravi Shankar - Shankar Family and Friends
Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening

Favorite album I couldn't vote for: Grimes - Art Angels (extremely close match)

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:46 pm
by Rdwdbob
RAVI SHANKAR - SHANKAR FAMILY AND FRIENDS

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:48 am
by madzong
Fiona Apple
Elton John

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:48 am
by spiritualized
1. Fiona Apple - Tidal (6/10) vs. Grimes - Art Angels (9/10)
2. Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine (7/10) vs. Elton John - Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt (7/10)
3. Margaret Glaspy - Emotions and Math (7/10) vs. Ravi Shankar - Shankar Family and Friends
4. Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening vs. Section 25 - From the Hip (7/10)

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:49 pm
by CupOfDreams
Interesting. All but one of my albums made it to round 2 and the one that didn't missed by one vote. Songs? None made it through round 1. Not even close!

Grimes - Art Angels
Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine
Margaret Glaspy - Emotions and Math
Section 25 - From The Hip

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:07 am
by Safetycat
Fun coincidence that we get Waits and Apple a week after their last appearances. All 4 of the albums in the first two matchups are amazing and it's rough to see two of them go this early.

3 of my 4 albums are still alive! And the album that took the 4th out is in this round...

3. Tidal < 2. Art Angels
Two amazing albums, making a choice was so hard but I had to give it to the one I find more consistent.

1. Heartattack and Vine > 4. Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy
Less difficult of a matchup, simply because I adore Heartattack and Waits in general. Captain Fantastic is still good too, one of his better albums.

6. Emotions and Math > 7. Shankar Family and Friends
I felt better about both of these albums this week, but Shankar can be a little annoying at times

8. Deep Listening < 5. From the Hip
I also have more appreciation for Section 25 this week, album is a pretty good listen. Helps it goes up against an album in a genre I don't care for.

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:06 pm
by Rdwdbob
SECTION 25 - FROM THE HIP

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:06 pm
by Brad
My picks:
1. Fiona Apple - Tidal vs. Grimes - Art Angels
2. Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine vs. Elton John - Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt
3. Margaret Glaspy - Emotions and Math vs. Ravi Shankar - Shankar Family and Friends
4. Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening vs. Section 25 - From the Hip

Thanks!

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:43 pm
by Listyguy
1. Fiona Apple - Tidal vs. Grimes - Art Angels
2. Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine vs. Elton John - Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:49 pm
by Bang Jan
5 | Fiona Apple | Tidal
2 | Grimes | Art Angels

1 | Tom Waits | Heartattack and Vine
3 | Elton John | Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy

8 | Margaret Glaspy | Emotions and Math
6 | Ravi Shankar | Shankar Family and Friends

4 | Pauline Oliveros | Deep Listening
7 | Section 25 | From the Hip

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:56 pm
by bonnielaurel
Grimes - Art Angels
Elton John - Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt
Ravi Shankar - Shankar Family and Friends
Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:19 pm
by Rob
3. Fiona Apple - Tidal vs. 5. Grimes - Art Angels
1. Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine vs. 4. Elton John - Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt
7. Margaret Glaspy - Emotions and Math vs. 2. Ravi Shankar - Shankar Family and Friends
8. Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening vs. 6. Section 25 - From the Hip

Pretty great line-up, isn't it?

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:28 pm
by rumpdoll
Fiona Apple - Tidal vs. Grimes - Art Angels
Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine vs. Elton John - Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt
Margaret Glaspy - Emotions and Math vs Ravi Shankar - Shankar Family and Friends
Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening vs. Section 25 - From the Hip

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:55 am
by Brad
About 11 hours left to vote!

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:20 pm
by Kingoftonga
1. Fiona Apple - Tidal vs. Grimes - Art Angels

Re: Moderately Acclaimed Albums 2019 - Round 2.1

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:01 pm
by Brad
21 voters this week:
acroamor
andyd1010
Bang Jan
bonnielaurel
Brad
CupOfDreams
DaveC
FrankLotion
Honorio
jamieW
Jirin
Kingoftonga
Listyguy
madzong
PlasticRam
Rdwdbob
Rob
rumpdoll
Safetycat
spiritualized
StevieFan13

Winners:
1. Grimes - Art Angels over Fiona Apple - Tidal 11-10
2. Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine over Elton John - Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt 12-6
3. Ravi Shankar - Shankar Family and Friends over Margaret Glaspy - Emotions and Math 9-6
4. Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening over Section 25 - From the Hip 9-5

Round 2.2 up next!