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2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

Post by Hymie » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:48 pm

Here are the nominees for 2020:

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Depeche Mode
The Doobie Brothers
Whitney Houston
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motörhead
Nine Inch Nails
The Notorious B.I.G.
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
T. Rex
Thin Lizzy


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Post by Henrik » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:21 pm

My choices

Depeche Mode
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Motörhead
T. Rex

Hard choice between Motörhead (more iconic) and Soundgarden (more great songs).

Surprised Whitney isn’t already in.
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Post by Nick » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:31 pm

My picks:

Depeche Mode
Kraftwerk
Nine Inch Nails
The Notorious B.I.G.
T. Rex

Also: no Oasis? It’s their first year of eligibility! Come on HOF!

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Post by Pierre » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:37 pm

Since commercial success tends to help to get in the HOF more than critical cred, I call Whitney and the Dave Matthews Band (and probably Thin Lizzy) safe bets.

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Post by Listyguy » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:40 pm

This seems like a pretty weak group of artists, relative to years past

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Post by JR » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:01 pm

Great to see Pat B. and Whitney H. among the nominees (Pat's hubby Neil G. is listed with her- yay). Here's my usual rundown of nominees, with their number of nominations and years that they've been eligible. Eight acts who have been eligible in previous years receive their first nod, with Notorious B.I.G. as the only first-year-eligible nominee.

* Pat Benatar- first nomination; 21st year of eligibility
* Dave Matthews Band- first nomination; second year of eligibility
* Depeche Mode- third nomination; 14th year of eligibility
* The Doobie Brothers- first nomination; 24th year of eligibility
* Judas Priest- second nomination; 21st year of eligibility
* Kraftwerk- sixth nomination; 25th year of eligibility
* MC5- fifth nomination; 29th year of eligibility
* Motörhead- first nomination; 18th year of eligibility
* Nine Inch Nails- third nomination; sixth year of eligibility
* Notorious B.I.G.- first nomination; first year of eligibility
* Rufus featuring Chaka Khan- fourth nomination; 22nd year of eligibility
* Soundgarden- first nomination; ninth year of eligibility
* T. Rex- first nomination; 27th year of eligibility
* Thin Lizzy- first nomination; 25th year of eligibility
* Todd Rundgren- second nomination; 25th year of eligibility
* Whitney Houston- first nomination; 11th year of eligibility

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Re: 2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

Post by Rob » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:52 pm

Pierre wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:37 pm
Since commercial success tends to help to get in the HOF more than critical cred, I call Whitney and the Dave Matthews Band (and probably Thin Lizzy) safe bets.
Sometimes I just seem to miss something. I thought the Dave Matthews Band were the most unknown band here, but now I learn they were very big. In my lifetime, nonetheless. But I can't mention a single thing they have done, neither do I remember anyone ever talking about them. Weird.

Edit: Ah, I see they had no commercial presence in The Netherlands whatsoever, with no charting singles and an album peaking at #90. That explains things.

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Post by Nassim » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:58 pm

Rob wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:52 pm
Pierre wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:37 pm
Since commercial success tends to help to get in the HOF more than critical cred, I call Whitney and the Dave Matthews Band (and probably Thin Lizzy) safe bets.
Sometimes I just seem to miss something. I thought the Dave Matthews Band were the most unknown band here, but now I learn they were very big. In my lifetime, nonetheless. But I can't mention a single thing they have done, neither do I remember anyone ever talking about them. Weird.

Edit: Ah, I see they had no commercial presence in The Netherlands whatsoever, with no charting singles and an album peaking at #90. That explains things.
I think their only success in France was "The Space Between", they are one of those bands that were huge in the US but pretty small abroad (and they don't have the excuse of playing country adjacent music). I guess that would make them the modern Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers !

My picks would be Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, Motörhead, T. Rex and Nine Inch Nails but I guess a most likely list would be Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, DMB, Notorious B.I.G. and Pat Benatar.

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Re: 2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

Post by Harold » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:40 pm

Nassim wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:58 pm
I think [DMB's] only success in France was "The Space Between", they are one of those bands that were huge in the US but pretty small abroad (and they don't have the excuse of playing country adjacent music). I guess that would make them the modern Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers !
That noise we all just heard was Tom Petty rolling in his grave... :mrgreen:

All I will say is that here in Chicago where I live, the Dave Matthews Band earned a bit of local infamy for a 2004 incident in which the driver of their tour bus decided to dump 800 pounds of, ahem, waste from the septic tank into the Chicago River...just as a sightseeing boat full of tourists was passing by. So, DMB did to Chicago literally what they've been doing metaphorically to everyone else for years.

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Re: 2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

Post by Pierre » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:03 pm

Harold wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:40 pm
Nassim wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:58 pm
I guess that would make them the modern Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers !
That noise we all just heard was Tom Petty rolling in his grave... :mrgreen:
I have to agree with Harold there. Tom Petty was more well-respected than Dave Matthews ever was. And at least a bit more famous around these parts as well - as I already said somewhere, my father listened to some of his stuff. I think he got acquainted with his music thanks to the Traveling Wilburys album.

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Post by Cold Butterfly » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:08 pm

Tbh the only three I like are Biggie, Todd Rundgren, and Kraftwerk. Hip Hop needs to be more represented in the HOF also, but I guess it's not a surprise, considering that the dudes who run this are the perfect example of the stereotypical rock fan who's local classic rock station is the only thing they listen to. I mean like seriously, the Dave Matthews Band? Come on bruh.
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Post by Wisnu Tirta Aji » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:06 pm

My choices:
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Depeche Mode
The Doobie Brothers
Soundgarden
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Post by ordinaryperson » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:18 pm

Who I voted for:

Depeche Mode
Kraftwerk
Nine Inch Nails
Soundgarden
T. Rex

Who I think will win:

Dave Matthews Band
Whitney Houston
Kraftwerk
Motorhead (If they have 6 inductees.)
The Notorious B.I.G.
Soundgarden

I'd imagine Dave Matthews Band would win the poll since they came in 4th for the year-round poll at actual HOF (Motley Crue was #1, Blink-182 #2, and Iron Maiden #3).
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Re: 2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

Post by Hymie » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:41 pm

BTW, I can't name even one song by any of these 4 acts:

Dave Matthews Band
Motörhead
Nine Inch Nails
Soundgarden

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Re: 2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

Post by Hymie » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:50 pm

Hymie wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:41 pm
BTW, I can't name even one song by any of these 4 acts:

Dave Matthews Band
Motörhead
Nine Inch Nails
Soundgarden
I am gonna listen to the most acclaimed song by each act and rate them.

Dave Matthews Band - Ants Marching - 5 (pretty good)
Motörhead - Ace of Spades - 4 (okay)
Nine Inch Nails - Closer - 4 (okay)
Soundgarden - Black Hole Sun - 3 (not very good)


I am not surprised that the best song to me was by the least acclaimed act of the four. And I guess the most mainstream.

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Post by Cold Butterfly » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:14 pm

Hymie wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:50 pm
Hymie wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:41 pm
BTW, I can't name even one song by any of these 4 acts:

Dave Matthews Band
Motörhead
Nine Inch Nails
Soundgarden
I am gonna listen to the most acclaimed song by each act and rate them.

Dave Matthews Band - Ants Marching - 5 (pretty good)
Motörhead - Ace of Spades - 4 (okay)
Nine Inch Nails - Closer - 4 (okay)
Soundgarden - Black Hole Sun - 3 (not very good)


I am not surprised that the best song to me was by the least acclaimed act of the four. And I guess the most mainstream.
Surprised you didn't like Black Hole Sun. It's one of my favorite "alternative" songs of all time, but I figured you'd have enjoyed it given the Beatle-esque vibe of the track. Imo it's the Nine Inch Nails who have to rank as overrated (Where's Brent DiCrescenzo when you need him???).
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Re: 2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

Post by Hymie » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:26 pm

Cold Butterfly wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:14 pm
Hymie wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:50 pm
Hymie wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:41 pm
BTW, I can't name even one song by any of these 4 acts:

Dave Matthews Band
Motörhead
Nine Inch Nails
Soundgarden
I am gonna listen to the most acclaimed song by each act and rate them.

Dave Matthews Band - Ants Marching - 5 (pretty good)
Motörhead - Ace of Spades - 4 (okay)
Nine Inch Nails - Closer - 4 (okay)
Soundgarden - Black Hole Sun - 3 (not very good)


I am not surprised that the best song to me was by the least acclaimed act of the four. And I guess the most mainstream.
Surprised you didn't like Black Hole Sun. It's one of my favorite "alternative" songs of all time, but I figured you'd have enjoyed it given the Beatle-esque vibe of the track. Imo it's the Nine Inch Nails who have to rank as overrated (Where's Brent DiCrescenzo when you need him???).
I don't think I like any alternative acts much. Seems to be a lot of monotone singing and very few hooks. As for your Beatles comp, I guess it sounds a bit like "I Want You (She's So Heavy)," but that's not exactly one of my favorites from the Beatles. I prefer the early (1962-1965) Beatles to the later stuff (1966-1970).

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Post by Myself » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:35 am

My votes:
Depeche Mode
Kraftwerk
Pat Benatar
Todd Rundgren
Nine Inch Nails

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Post by andyd1010 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:02 am

My rankings of these artists... tossup whether to vote for Nine Inch Nails or Depeche Mode

99. Soundgarden
169. T. Rex
233. The Notorious B.I.G.
270. Thin Lizzy
315. Nine Inch Nails
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318. Depeche Mode
381. Whitney Houston
693. The Doobie Brothers
742. Pat Benatar
874. Dave Matthews Band
1047. Motörhead
1208. Todd Rundgren
1348. MC5
1678. Judas Priest
1683. Kraftwerk
Unranked. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

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Post by Henry » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:47 am

Todd Rundgren (1) - so far I'm only voting for Todd this year
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The Doobie Brothers (18) - I may vote for one or more of these for or perhaps Thin Lizzy as the days go on
Whitney Houston (89)
Pat Benatar (151)
Dave Matthews (264)
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Thin Lizzy (280)
Depeche Mode (306)
Soundgarden (460)
T. Rex (466)
Judas Priest (594)
Nine Inch Nails (834)
Kraftwerk (861)
Rufus (931)

Unranked: MC5, Motorhead, and Notorious B.I.G.

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Post by acroamor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:15 am

Someone on Twitter pointed out that the list of artists who became eligible for nomination who weren't nominated this year would make a strong inductee class on their own.

"Artists who became Rock Hall eligible for the first time this year but weren’t nominated include Oasis, Weezer, Aaliyah, Daft Punk, Elliott Smith, Sleater-Kinney, and Wilco."

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Post by spiritualized » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:15 am

Harold wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:40 pm
just as a sightseeing boat full of tourists was passing by. So, DMB did to Chicago literally what they've been doing metaphorically to everyone else for years.
LOL ! How do they say in America ?? Oh yeah "WORD, Homie" :)

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Post by andyd1010 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:31 pm

acroamor wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:15 am
Someone on Twitter pointed out that the list of artists who became eligible for nomination who weren't nominated this year would make a strong inductee class on their own.

"Artists who became Rock Hall eligible for the first time this year but weren’t nominated include Oasis, Weezer, Aaliyah, Daft Punk, Elliott Smith, Sleater-Kinney, and Wilco."
Yeah, that would be a much better class.

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Post by Edre Peraza » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:27 pm

Honestly what the hell. I’ve been a Depeche Mode fanatic for a long time and they are holding back of putting them in the Hall for so long. I personally feel they are the greatest band of all time and it’s a disgrace Bon Jovi got in before them. I’m glad The Cure got in last year and Green Day a few years back, but damn are they taking too long with this one.
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Post by Jackson » Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:45 pm

Man it is straight up crazy that Judas Priest and Motorhead aren't already in, and to a lesser extent Thin Lizzy and T. Rex. All classic rock radio staples! These are all artists I would have assumed got in a long time ago.

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Post by Hymie » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:46 pm

Jackson wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:45 pm
Man it is straight up crazy that Judas Priest and Motorhead aren't already in, and to a lesser extent Thin Lizzy and T. Rex. All classic rock radio staples! These are all artists I would have assumed got in a long time ago.
If those 4 were in, 4 others would have to be out. Which 4 inductees would you remove to put these 4 in?

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Post by Live in Phoenix » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:46 pm

According to the AM main page top 100 artists, the major Rock & Roll HOF oversights:

24. The Smiths
28. Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
34. Bjork
35. Blur
38. PJ Harvey

42. Beck
51. Pixies
53. Kraftwerk
57. Oasis
58. Sonic Youth
63. Joy Division
65. New Order
68. Daft Punk
76. OutKast
83. Massive Attack
84. Brian Eno
85. Kate Bush
89. The Jam
94. Portishead
95. Pavement

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Post by mileswide » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:48 pm

Edre Peraza wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:27 pm
Honestly what the hell. I’ve been a Depeche Mode fanatic for a long time and they are holding back of putting them in the Hall for so long.
I thought you'd have something to say about this ;) But you're right- if the HoF is supposed to recognise influence, DM should've been inducted long ago, Kraftwerk even further back.

Deserved inductees imo:
Kraftwerk
MC5
Depeche Mode
The Notorious B.I.G.
Whitney Houston (influential regardless of what you think of her music)

My choices:
Biggie
T. Rex
Nine Inch Nails
Motörhead
Kraftwerk (again, mainly due to their impact on other acts)
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Post by Live in Phoenix » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:00 pm

The AM main page top 100 artists, as inducted (or not) by Cleveland's Hall of Fame.
Artists become eligible for induction as a performer 25 years after the release of their first record (so I guess that by the year of their induction, it's become 26 years).
Inductions started in 1986.

The Beatles - inducted 1988
Bob Dylan - 1988
The Rolling Stones - 1989
David Bowie - 1996
Bruce Springsteen - 1999
Radiohead - 2019
Led Zeppelin - 1995
Neil Young - 1995
The Who - 1990
Prince - 2004

The Beach Boys - 1988
R.E.M. - 2007
U2 - 2005
Elvis Presley - 1986
Kanye West (eligible 2028 / "Through the Wire")
Miles Davis - 2006
The Velvet Underground - 1996
The Clash - 2003
Pink Floyd - 1996
JImi Hendrix - 1992 (The Jimi Hendrix Experience)

Nirvana - 2014
Elvis Costello - 2003 (Elvis Costello & the Attractions)
Marvin Gaye - 1987
The Smiths (eligible since 2008 / "Hand in Glove")
Bob Marley and the Wailers - 1994 (Bob Marley)
Stevie Wonder - 1989
Madonna - 2008
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds (eligible since 2009 / From Her to Eternity)
Van Morrison - 1993
Talking Heads - 2002

Michael Jackson - 2001
Arcade Fire (eligible 2028 / debut EP)
Tom Waits - 2011
Bjork (eligible since 2018, ignoring juvenalia & collaborations / "Human Behaviour")
Blur (eligible since 2015 / "She's So High")

James Brown - 1986
The Doors - 1993
PJ Harvey (eligible since 2016 / "Dress")
Jay-Z (eligible 2020 / as lead artist, "In My Lifetime")
The Cure - 2019

The Kinks - 1990
Beck (eligible since 2018 / e.g., Golden Feelings)
Aretha Franklin - 1987
The Byrds - 1991
John Coltrane (non-rock)
Beastie Boys - 2012
John Lennon - 1994
Public Enemy - 2013
LCD Soundsystem (eligible 2027 / "Losing My Edge")
Kendrick Lamar (eligible 2034 / debut EP;
or 2029, counting releases as K. Dot / mixtape Y.H.N.I.C. [Hub City Threat: Minor of the Year])


Pixies (eligible since 2012 / Come On Pilgrim EP)
Lou Reed - 2015
Kraftwerk (eligible since 1995 / self-titled LP)
Leonard Cohen - 2008
Joni Mitchell - 1997
Roxy Music - 2019
Oasis (eligible since 2019 / "Supersonic," not counting promo single "Columbia")
Sonic Youth (eligible since 2007 / debut EP)

AC/DC - 2003
Creedence Clearwater Revival - 1993

Johnny Cash - 1992
Fleetwood Mac - 1998
Joy Division (eligible since 2003 / e.g. An Ideal for Living EP)
The Band - 1994
New Order (eligible since 2006, not counting collaborations / "Ceremony")
Simon and Garfunkel - 1990
Wilco (eligible 2020, not counting collaborations / e.g. A.M.)
Daft Punk (eligible since 2019 / "The New Wave")
Metallica - 2009
Chuck Berry - 1986

Otis Redding - 1989
The Stooges - 2010
Sly and the Family Stone - 1993
The White Stripes (eligible 2023 / "Let's Shake Hands")
The Police - 2003
OutKast (eligible since 2018 / "Player's Ball")
Frank Sinatra (non-rock)
Ramones - 2002
Elton John - 1994
Queen - 2001

Black Sabbath - 2006
Sex Pistols - 2006
Massive Attack (eligible since 2013 / "Any Love")
Brian Eno (eligible since 1999, not counting collaborations / e.g. Here Come the Warm Jets)
Kate Bush (eligible since 2003 / "Wuthering Heights")

Steely Dan - 2001
Guns N' Roses - 2012
Ray Charles - 1986
The Jam (eligible since 2002 / "In the City")
Patti Smith - 2007

Al Green - 1995
Arctic Monkeys (eligible 2030 / Five Minutes with Arctic Monkeys EP)
Duke Ellington (non-rock)

Portishead (eligible since 2019 / "Numb")
Pavement (eligible since 2014 / Slay Tracks: 1933–1969 EP)

Charles Mingus (non-rock)
The National (eligible 2026 / self-titled LP)
The Strokes (eligible 2026 / The Modern Age EP)

Funkadelic/Parliament - 1997
Pearl Jam - 2017

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Post by Cold Butterfly » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:43 pm

Hoping that OutKast will get in next year :angry-banghead:
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Post by Live in Phoenix » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:46 pm

I picked Depeche Mode, Whitney Houston, Nine Inch Nails, Soundgarden, T. Rex.

I thought that Kraftwerk was the Susan Lucci of the HOF, but it's Chic (11 nominations).

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Post by Listyguy » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:24 pm

Miles Davis isn't rock either (nor are the hip hop acts), but he's inducted. I see no reason why Coltrane and Sinatra especially aren't in the Hall.

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Post by Hymie » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:29 am

Listyguy wrote:
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Miles Davis isn't rock either (nor are the hip hop acts), but he's inducted. I see no reason why Coltrane and Sinatra especially aren't in the Hall.
I think it's because Miles dabbled a bit in jazz-rock crossovers like "Bitches Brew," while the other two were known rock haters.

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Listyguy wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:24 pm
Miles Davis isn't rock either (nor are the hip hop acts), but he's inducted. I see no reason why Coltrane and Sinatra especially aren't in the Hall.
I've never understood why there is such a lack of jazz and country in the HOF. Hopefully that changes this year.

Oh yeah go Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode and Biggie. :music-rockon:

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Post by Moonbeam » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:23 am

Not a group that jumps out as particularly strong. Almost all of the candidates are in the "yeah, I could see them being worthy" camp for me. There are a few I wholeheartedly support (Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, T. Rex), one I oppose with every fiber of my being (Dave Matthews Band), and the rest I don't care too much one way or the other.

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Post by andyd1010 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:25 pm

Moonbeam wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:23 am
one I oppose with every fiber of my being (Dave Matthews Band)
Lol, could you elaborate, Moonbeam? I just see them as pretty bland with a couple of catchy songs. The biggest reason I have not to like them is that they seem to appeal most to my friends who don't really care or know anything about music.

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Post by Nick » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:58 pm

andyd1010 wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:25 pm
Moonbeam wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:23 am
one I oppose with every fiber of my being (Dave Matthews Band)
Lol, could you elaborate, Moonbeam? I just see them as pretty bland with a couple of catchy songs. The biggest reason I have not to like them is that they seem to appeal most to my friends who don't really care or know anything about music.
This is just me, but Dave Matthews’ voice is like ten thousand nails on ten thousand chalkboards. A dying cat sounds better.

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Post by Jirin » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:02 pm

DMB is a bizarre choice when so many great alternative bands get passed over. He has a handful of good singles. But basically he’s the poster boy for 90s vanilla rock.

I’m surprised OutKast isn’t a first balloter too considering Hey Ya, Ms Jackson, etc. I guess rap acts need to sing about either violence or their own greatness to get recognition?

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Post by Cold Butterfly » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:14 pm

Jirin wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:02 pm
I guess rap acts need to sing about either violence or their own greatness to get recognition?
Lmao what?
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Re: 2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

Post by Moonbeam » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:18 pm

andyd1010 wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:25 pm
Moonbeam wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:23 am
one I oppose with every fiber of my being (Dave Matthews Band)
Lol, could you elaborate, Moonbeam? I just see them as pretty bland with a couple of catchy songs. The biggest reason I have not to like them is that they seem to appeal most to my friends who don't really care or know anything about music.
The unrelenting rootsy blandness and the cloying angst, coupled with Dave's irrepressibly whiny voice. A quote from this article captures it pretty well.

"Dave Matthews Band is one of the most self-serious music groups ever to exist. Their entire reputation was built off of being able to convince their teen and 20-something fans that their particular problems were the most consuming to have ever existed. Heartbreak was poetry, and their poetry was nonsense."

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Re: 2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

Post by Jap123 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:13 pm

The only reason i ever heard of Dave Matthews was because of the Chicago tour bus incident - as far as i can tell he has no following whatsoever in the UK. (Although in my opinion, having given his AM tracks a listen, Crash Into Me is a pretty good 90s pop song, i find every other song of his that i've heard irritating beyond belief)

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Post by Dexter » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:00 am

My predictions:
The Notorious B.I.G. (2Pac was inducted in his 1st year of eligibility, why not Biggie?)
Soundgarden (Nirvana & Pearl Jam had no problem getting in after being nominated and the relatively recent passing of Chris Cornell will push some votes)
Nine Inch Nails (Trent Reznor gained points with his induction of the Cure last year and NIN is hugely influential)
Depeche Mode (inducting NIN but not DM just won't feel right)
Pat Benatar (fan votes)

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Post by spiritualized » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:50 am

Can I just ask - what's the point of the Rock n Roll HOF ?

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Post by Pierre » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:26 am

spiritualized wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:50 am
Can I just ask - what's the point of the Rock n Roll HOF ?
Whether we like it or not, a useful reminder for people following Pitchfork's school of music criticism that the majority of the population listening to rock music nowadays actually listens to classic rock. Remember that music subcultures work as echo chambers.

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Post by Hymie » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:52 pm

spiritualized wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:50 am
Can I just ask - what's the point of the Rock n Roll HOF ?
It WAS to honor the most significant figures in the music's history, but after the first 10 years or so it became more about the people running it's own personal way to justify their tastes.

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Post by Hymie » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:53 pm

Pierre wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:26 am
spiritualized wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:50 am
Can I just ask - what's the point of the Rock n Roll HOF ?
Whether we like it or not, a useful reminder for people following Pitchfork's school of music criticism that the majority of the population listening to rock music nowadays actually listens to classic rock.
I don't think that's true here in the USA. It may be true in other parts of the world.

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Post by Nick » Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:47 pm

Hymie wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:53 pm
Pierre wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:26 am
spiritualized wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:50 am
Can I just ask - what's the point of the Rock n Roll HOF ?
Whether we like it or not, a useful reminder for people following Pitchfork's school of music criticism that the majority of the population listening to rock music nowadays actually listens to classic rock.
I don't think that's true here in the USA. It may be true in other parts of the world.
I guess it also depends on how you classify “classic rock”. Where I live, the local classic rock radio station plays rock music made between the late 1960s to the mid 1990s (say, 1967 to 1994). Someone might scoff at the idea that a song from 1994 can be classic rock, but that’s 25 years ago! If 25 years isn’t enough time for a song to warrant classic status then what is?

So yeah, under the definition that “classic rock” extends from the 1960s to the mid 1990s, I would certainly say that it’s the most popular form of rock in the US at this moment. But only because of the sheer amount of time and sheer amount of disparate artists (everything from The Beatles to Guns N’ Roses to Nirvana to Led Zeppelin to Red Hot Chili Peppers to R.E.M. to Pink Floyd) that this term encompasses.

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Re: 2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

Post by Hymie » Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:07 pm

The most popular form of rock at this moment is Hip Hop.

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Re: 2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

Post by Hymie » Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:08 pm

Classic Rock Radio is essentially just White Guys With Guitars (and Hendrix). They don't play ANY black styles of rock at all, not even Stevie Wonder or Prince. It's a sham.

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