AMF Classics Edition 84

[spiritualized]

It's time for instalment n°84 of the Classics Chart, where YOU get to nominate and vote for the best songs ever in a tournament to the death ! Only the cream of the crop will go through the grueling EIGHT weeks of charting.


156 votes last week (-1 votes)
On the top step of the podium : The Lips' Yoshimi !
New Entries : Del Shannon / Little Richard / Kate Bush / James Brown
Kicked out this week : PJ Harvey / Aerosmith / Madness / Fleet Foxes
Depeche Mode's Personal Jesus reaches the HOF this week





Enjoy voting for your favorite 10 songs... a difficult feat !

The AMF WC Classics Hall of Fame playlist :



Top Chart (number of weeks as n°1)

The Smiths - How Soon is Now (2)
Nina Simone - Feeling Good (2)
The Beach Boys - God Only Knows (4)
Annie - Heartbeat (1)
Stevie Wonder - Superstition (2)
Curtis Mayfield - Move on Up (Extended Version) (2)
France Gall - Poupée de Cire, Poupée de Son (1)
Janelle Monae - Cold War (5)
The Cranberries - Dreams (1)
Simon & Garfunkel - Mrs Robinson (2)
Aretha Franklin - (You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman (1)
Oasis - Don't Look Back in Anger (6)
Muse - Supermassive Black Hole (2)
U2 - With or Without You (2)
Black Sabbath - War Pigs (1)
Buzzcocks - Ever Fallen In Love (With Someone You Shouldn't Have) ? (4)
The Undertones - Teenage Kicks (3)
Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade of Pale (3)
Simon & Garfunkel - The Boxer (5)
The Kinks - Waterloo Sunset (4)
Primal Scream - Loaded (2)
The Ronettes - Be My Baby (6)
Mott The Hoople - All The Young Dudes (1)
The Zombies - Time of the Season (4)
The Four Tops - I Can't Help Myself (Sugar Pie, Honey Bunch) (1)
Modest Mouse - Float On (2)
The Dead Kennedys - Holiday In Cambodia (2)
The Sex Pistols - God Save the Queen (1)
Neil Young & The Crazy Horse - Like a Hurricane (2)
Pixies - Debaser (1)
Radiohead - Creep (1)
Echo & The Bunnymen - The Killing Moon (2)
Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus (1)
Outkast - Hey Ya! (2)
The Rolling Stones - I Can't Get No Satisfaction (2)
T. Rex - Bang a Gong [Get It On] (1)
Love - Alone Again Or (2)
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots Pt.1 (3)

[spiritualized]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - Your opinion is needed

Hi to all

Firstly, Fight the Power was not eligible as it has already been nominated, voted for and eliminated previously.
This got me thinking about this chart...

When I look at the list of songs, I see a vast majority of very popular songs (7 out of 10 are top 500) and I find this a bit disheartening as I feel this was not the purpose of this idea.
So I was wondering if I should change the rules a bit and, for example, allowing only a maximum amount of top 500 songs to be in the top 10.

It boils down to what you want : is this a popularity contest between critically acclaimed songs (and therefore the number of votes will be high) or between other songs, mirroring unacclaimed in a chart format, in a way.

What do you think ? Do you want the chart to change ?

[Brad]

Firstly, Fight the Power was not eligible as it has already been nominated, voted for and eliminated previously.

I thought we decided this was ok(?) (Another Girl, Another Planet, Uncertain Smile, Stacey's Frickin' Mom...)

I'm ok with whatever - just wish everyone would listen to all the songs.

[StevieFan13]

Firstly, Fight the Power was not eligible as it has already been nominated, voted for and eliminated previously.

I thought we decided this was ok(?) (Another Girl, Another Planet, Uncertain Smile, Stacey's Frickin' Mom...)

I'm ok with whatever - just wish everyone would listen to all the songs.

Yeah, I thought the rule was that if it was accepted a second time and got eliminated again, then you couldn't nominate it a third time.

Anyway, I do agree that listening to all the songs is the important thing. I don't really care if the songs are famous or not. The one I'm nominating this week definitely isn't (at least not here in the States):
Gabrielle - Dreams

[spiritualized]

Firstly, Fight the Power was not eligible as it has already been nominated, voted for and eliminated previously.

I thought we decided this was ok(?) (Another Girl, Another Planet, Uncertain Smile, Stacey's Frickin' Mom...)

I'm ok with whatever - just wish everyone would listen to all the songs.

Oh Gosh, I'm sorry, I must be tired, I forgot about those.
If that's OK with StevieFan, I'll make sure it goes on next week.

[Brad]

OutKast - "B.O.B" ("Bombs Over Baghdad")

Thanks!

[Rdwdbob]

Spiritualized: I agree with your assessment that it feels like a popularity contest as opposed to an avenue for listening to songs that we may not be too familiar with. I’d be good with a format similar to the Moderately Acclaimed albums forum. I might be a little off on this but I think albums in the top 500 acclaimed chart are not eligible to compete in that tournament. We might try something similar with songs in the top 1,000 acclaimed not being eligible here. (Just my two cents)

[DaveC]

Spiritualized: I agree with your assessment that it feels like a popularity contest as opposed to an avenue for listening to songs that we may not be too familiar with. I’d be good with a format similar to the Moderately Acclaimed albums forum. I might be a little off on this but I think albums in the top 500 acclaimed chart are not eligible to compete in that tournament. We might try something similar with songs in the top 1,000 acclaimed not being eligible here. (Just my two cents)

I agree that this game isn't working the way some of us would like. If we say that only some number of top 500 songs can progress, then we'll effectively be running two games under one umbrella. Furthermore, no cut-off based on the AM chart quite gets the right spirit; Was anyone here not totally familiar with 'Yoshimi'? So there is no perfect solution.

A step in the right direction would be to do something like MA:
- only the first top 1000 AM song nominated each week would be eligible.
- only the first six top AM 1001-10000 songs nominated each week would be eligible.
- that would leave 3 places each week reserved for un-acclaimed songs.

[Madzong]

UNKLE feat. Thom Yorke - Rabbit In Your Headlight

[DaveC]

Whatever you do Spiritualized, don't give up. I just found the Dominique A track and the surprisingly good MBV tribute band.

[spiritualized]

Whatever you do Spiritualized, don't give up. I just found the Dominique A track and the surprisingly good MBV tribute band.

Thanks Dave !
That's exactly the point of my question - Initially the chart was supposed to be a discovery tool - it turned into something else, but then again that's what forumers wanted.
The flipcoin though is that if these rules are set up, people may not enjoy this chart as much and we'll see a drop in votes.

Although what I suspect is happening is that people vote for the most famous songs first, in order of preference, almost automatically, leaving a little room in their remaining votes for the "unranked" ones. This behaviour tilts the results heavily towards the top 1000.

I'm tempted to try DaveC's rules to test them - anyone against the idea ? Start from now ?

[spiritualized]

So if we consider these for this week :

Nominations (1 spot remaining)

Top Tier (top 1000) (COMPLETE) :
Outkast - B.O.B (414)

Second Tier (1000 - 10000)
UNKLE feat. Thom Yorke - Rabbit In Your Headlight (4229)
Public Enemy - Fight the Power (82)
BOB DYLAN “The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll” (1851)
Jessie Ware - Running (3006)

Third Tier
Mintzkov - Title You (unranked): if ANYONE who likes Deus doesn't like this other Belgian Band, I disown you
Sigur Rós - Rafstraumur (unranked)
Gabrielle - Dreams (unranked)
Giant - Lost In Paradise (unranked)

[DaveC]

Sigur Rós - Rafstraumur (unranked)

[StevieFan13]

The song I picked isn’t in the top 1000 either I don’t think

[spiritualized]

The song I picked isn’t in the top 1000 either I don’t think

You're right !
Added.

[Brad]

edit: never mind I figured it out...

[StevieFan13]

Also, won't you have to make an exception for the rule for Fight the Power?

[Honorio]

Mmm, I think there's no need to apply some restrictive rules, after all the chart has been going on without them for 84 weeks. I've been only participating from the 61st edition but I've seen some Top 10 songs ("Like a Rolling Stone" or "What's Going On" come to my mind) being eliminated after only 1 or 2 weeks of voting, so probably acclaim is not the main factor influencing the votes.
In my case my nominations so far are the songs on my all time list going backwards from the position #250. I've checked the positions of my nominations on the AM list and I had 4 songs on the Top 1000, 8 songs on the Top 1001-10000 and 11 songs outside the Top 10000.
Having said that I'm OK with the new rules. I will continue nominating the songs on my all-time list. I'll try to be quick when I get to a song appearing on the AM Top 1000.

My nomination of the week: BOB DYLAN “The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll” (1964, #1851 in AM list)

[CupOfDreams]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - Your opinion is needed

Hi to all

Firstly, Fight the Power was not eligible as it has already been nominated, voted for and eliminated previously.
This got me thinking about this chart...

When I look at the list of songs, I see a vast majority of very popular songs (7 out of 10 are top 500) and I find this a bit disheartening as I feel this was not the purpose of this idea.
So I was wondering if I should change the rules a bit and, for example, allowing only a maximum amount of top 500 songs to be in the top 10.

It boils down to what you want : is this a popularity contest between critically acclaimed songs (and therefore the number of votes will be high) or between other songs, mirroring unacclaimed in a chart format, in a way.

What do you think ? Do you want the chart to change ?

I was the one who nominated Fight the Power. Was shocked it was eliminated so soon.

[Rdwdbob]

Jessie Ware - ‘Running’

[Rdwdbob]

Steely Dan - ‘ Deacon Blues’

[spiritualized]

Mmm, I think there's no need to apply some restrictive rules, after all the chart has been going on without them for 84 weeks. I've been only participating from the 61st edition but I've seen some Top 10 songs ("Like a Rolling Stone" or "What's Going On" come to my mind) being eliminated after only 1 or 2 weeks of voting, so probably acclaim is not the main factor influencing the votes.
In my case my nominations so far are the songs on my all time list going backwards from the position #250. I've checked the positions of my nominations on the AM list and I had 4 songs on the Top 1000, 8 songs on the Top 1001-10000 and 11 songs outside the Top 10000.
Having said that I'm OK with the new rules. I will continue nominating the songs on my all-time list. I'll try to be quick when I get to a song appearing on the AM Top 1000.

My nomination of the week: BOB DYLAN “The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll” (1964, #1851 in AM list)

Thank you Honorio for your continuing nominations, it adds depth to this chart.
I hear your point about "acclaimed" songs being kicked out - my problem is that they get replaced by other acclaimed songs. The "discovery" value of the chart is very limited, but I understand why forumers like the format.
We'll see how it goes.

[Wisnu Tirta Aji]

Giant - Lost in Paradise
Outlaws - There Goes Another Love Song