Top 100 Albums: AMF vs. Rolling Stone

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Which top 100 do you prefer?

AMF
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77%
Rolling Stone
7
23%
 
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I thought it would be fun comparing our new AMF T100 albums to Rolling Stone's list since they were both recent.

AMF:
1 | Radiohead | OK Computer | 1997
2 | The Velvet Underground & Nico | The Velvet Underground & Nico | 1967
3 | David Bowie | The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars | 1972
4 | The Beatles | Revolver | 1966
5 | The Beach Boys | Pet Sounds | 1966
6 | The Beatles | Abbey Road | 1969
7 | The Clash | London Calling | 1979
8 | Arcade Fire | Funeral | 2004
9 | Nirvana | Nevermind | 1991
10 | Bob Dylan | Highway 61 Revisited | 1965
11 | The Beatles | The Beatles [White Album] | 1968
12 | Led Zeppelin | Led Zeppelin IV | 1971
13 | Bruce Springsteen | Born to Run | 1975
14 | Pink Floyd | The Dark Side of the Moon | 1973
15 | Pixies | Doolittle | 1989
16 | The Smiths | The Queen Is Dead | 1986
17 | The Beatles | Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band | 1967
18 | Bob Dylan | Blonde on Blonde | 1966
19 | Prince and The Revolution | Purple Rain | 1984
20 | Radiohead | Kid A | 2000
21 | Bob Dylan | Blood on the Tracks | 1975
22 | Stevie Wonder | Innervisions | 1973
23 | The Rolling Stones | Sticky Fingers | 1971
24 | Talking Heads | Remain in Light | 1980
25 | The Beatles | Rubber Soul | 1965
26 | R.E.M. | Automatic for the People | 1992
27 | Sufjan Stevens | Illinois | 2005
28 | Stevie Wonder | Songs in the Key of Life | 1976
29 | The Rolling Stones | Let It Bleed | 1969
30 | Radiohead | The Bends | 1995
31 | Marvin Gaye | What's Going On | 1971
32 | Radiohead | In Rainbows | 2007
33 | Kanye West | My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy | 2010
34 | David Bowie | Hunky Dory | 1971
35 | Portishead | Dummy | 1994
36 | The Who | Who's Next | 1971
37 | Michael Jackson | Thriller | 1982
38 | Fleetwood Mac | Rumours | 1977
39 | Television | Marquee Moon | 1977
40 | Love | Forever Changes | 1967
41 | Miles Davis | Kind of Blue | 1959
42 | The Strokes | Is This It | 2001
43 | U2 | The Joshua Tree | 1987
44 | Kendrick Lamar | To Pimp a Butterfly | 2015
45 | The Jimi Hendrix Experience | Are You Experienced | 1967
46 | Simon & Garfunkel | Bridge Over Troubled Water | 1970
47 | LCD Soundsystem | Sound of Silver | 2007
48 | My Bloody Valentine | Loveless | 1991
49 | The Rolling Stones | Exile on Main St. | 1972
50 | The Stone Roses | The Stone Roses | 1989
51 | Oasis | (What's the Story) Morning Glory? | 1995
52 | The Doors | The Doors | 1967
53 | Kate Bush | Hounds of Love | 1985
54 | The Zombies | Odessey and Oracle | 1968
55 | Pink Floyd | Wish You Were Here | 1975
56 | Van Morrison | Astral Weeks | 1968
57 | The Rolling Stones | Beggars Banquet | 1968
58 | Bob Dylan | Bringing It All Back Home | 1965
59 | Neil Young | After the Gold Rush | 1970
60 | David Bowie | Low | 1977
61 | Wilco | Yankee Hotel Foxtrot | 2002
62 | Neutral Milk Hotel | In the Aeroplane Over the Sea | 1998
63 | Public Enemy | It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back | 1988
64 | Patti Smith | Horses | 1975
65 | The Velvet Underground | The Velvet Underground | 1969
66 | Leonard Cohen | Songs of Leonard Cohen | 1967
67 | Prince | Sign o' the Times | 1987
68 | Björk | Homogenic | 1997
69 | Bruce Springsteen | Born in the U.S.A. | 1984
70 | John Coltrane | A Love Supreme | 1965
71 | Tom Waits | Rain Dogs | 1985
72 | R.E.M. | Murmur | 1983
73 | Pearl Jam | Ten | 1991
74 | Joni Mitchell | Blue | 1971
75 | The Cure | Disintegration | 1989
76 | The White Stripes | Elephant | 2003
77 | Björk | Post | 1995
78 | Kendrick Lamar | good kid, m.A.A.d. city | 2012
79 | David Bowie | ★ [Blackstar] | 2016
80 | Jeff Buckley | Grace | 1994
81 | Joy Division | Closer | 1980
82 | Creedence Clearwater Revival | Cosmo's Factory | 1970
83 | Sigur Rós | Ágætis Byrjun | 1999
84 | Sonic Youth | Daydream Nation | 1988
85 | Bruce Springsteen | Darkness on the Edge of Town | 1978
86 | Paul Simon | Graceland | 1986
87 | Nirvana | In Utero | 1993
88 | Elvis Costello | This Year's Model | 1978
89 | The Beatles | Magical Mystery Tour | 1967
90 | Weezer | Weezer [Blue Album] | 1994
91 | The Jimi Hendrix Experience | Electric Ladyland | 1968
92 | U2 | Achtung Baby | 1991
93 | Joy Division | Unknown Pleasures | 1979
94 | Lou Reed | Transformer | 1972
95 | King Crimson | In the Court of the Crimson King | 1969
96 | Belle and Sebastian | If You're Feeling Sinister | 1996
97 | Pixies | Surfer Rosa | 1988
98 | Bob Dylan | The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan | 1963
99 | Beck | Odelay | 1996
100 | Arcade Fire | The Suburbs | 2010

Rolling Stone:
1 | Marvin Gaye | What's Going On | 1971
2 | The Beach Boys | Pet Sounds | 1966
3 | Joni Mitchell | Blue | 1971
4 | Stevie Wonder | Songs in the Key of Life | 1976
5 | The Beatles | Abbey Road | 1969
6 | Nirvana | Nevermind | 1991
7 | Fleetwood Mac | Rumours | 1977
8 | Prince and the Revolution | Purple Rain | 1984
9 | Bob Dylan | Blood on the Tracks | 1975
10 | Lauryn Hill | The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill | 1998
11 | The Beatles | Revolver | 1966
12 | Michael Jackson | Thriller | 1982
13 | Aretha Franklin | I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You | 1967
14 | The Rolling Stones | Exile on Main St. | 1972
15 | Public Enemy | It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back | 1988
16 | The Clash | London Calling | 1979
17 | Kanye West | My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy | 2010
18 | Bob Dylan | Highway 61 Revisited | 1965
19 | Kendrick Lamar | To Pimp a Butterfly | 2015
20 | Radiohead | Kid A | 2000
21 | Bruce Springsteen | Born to Run | 1975
22 | The Notorious B.I.G. | Ready to Die | 1994
23 | The Velvet Underground & Nico | The Velvet Underground & Nico | 1967
24 | The Beatles | Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band | 1967
25 | Carole King | Tapestry | 1971
26 | Patti Smith | Horses | 1975
27 | Wu-Tang Clan | Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) | 1993
28 | D'Angelo | Voodoo | 2000
29 | The Beatles | The Beatles (White Album) | 1968
30 | The Jimi Hendrix Experience | Are You Experienced? | 1967
31 | Miles Davis | Kind of Blue | 1959
32 | Beyoncé | Lemonade | 2016
33 | Amy Winehouse | Back to Black | 2006
34 | Stevie Wonder | Innervisions | 1973
35 | The Beatles | Rubber Soul | 1965
36 | Michael Jackson | Off the Wall | 1979
37 | Dr. Dre | The Chronic | 1992
38 | Bob Dylan | Blonde on Blonde | 1966
39 | Talking Heads | Remain in Light | 1980
40 | David Bowie | The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars | 1972
41 | The Rolling Stones | Let It Bleed | 1969
42 | Radiohead | OK Computer | 1997
43 | A Tribe Called Quest | The Low End Theory | 1991
44 | Nas | Illmatic | 1994
45 | Prince | Sign O' the Times | 1987
46 | Paul Simon | Graceland | 1986
47 | Ramones | Ramones | 1976
48 | Bob Marley and the Wailers | Legend | 1984
49 | OutKast | Aquemini | 1998
50 | Jay-Z | The Blueprint | 2001
51 | Chuck Berry | The Great Twenty-Eight | 1982
52 | David Bowie | Station to Station | 1976
53 | The Jimi Hendrix Experience | Electric Ladyland | 1968
54 | James Brown | Star Time | 1991
55 | Pink Floyd | The Dark Side of the Moon | 1973
56 | Liz Phair | Exile in Guyville | 1993
57 | The Band | The Band | 1969
58 | Led Zeppelin | Led Zeppelin IV | 1971
59 | Stevie Wonder | Talking Book | 1972
60 | Van Morrison | Astral Weeks | 1968
61 | Eric B. & Rakim | Paid in Full | 1987
62 | Guns N' Roses | Appetite for Destruction | 1987
63 | Steely Dan | Aja | 1977
64 | OutKast | Stankonia | 2000
65 | James Brown | Live at the Apollo | 1963
66 | John Coltrane | A Love Supreme | 1965
67 | Jay-Z | Reasonable Doubt | 1996
68 | Kate Bush | Hounds of Love | 1985
69 | Alanis Morrissette | Jagged Little Pill | 1995
70 | N.W.A | Straight Outta Compton | 1988
71 | Bob Marley & The Wailers | Exodus | 1977
72 | Neil Young | Harvest | 1972
73 | My Bloody Valentine | Loveless | 1991
74 | Kanye West | The College Dropout | 2004
75 | Aretha Franklin | Lady Soul | 1968
76 | Curtis Mayfield | Superfly | 1972
77 | The Who | Who's Next | 1971
78 | Elvis Presley | The Sun Sessions | 1976
79 | Frank Ocean | Blonde | 2016
80 | Sex Pistols | Never Mind the Bollocks - Here's the Sex Pistols | 1977
81 | Beyoncé | Beyoncé | 2013
82 | Sly and the Family Stone | There's a Riot Goin' On | 1971
83 | Dusty Springfield | Dusty in Memphis | 1969
84 | AC/DC | Back in Black | 1980
85 | John Lennon | Plastic Ono Band | 1970
86 | The Doors | The Doors | 1967
87 | Miles Davis | Bitches Brew | 1970
88 | David Bowie | Hunky Dory | 1971
89 | Erykah Badu | Baduizm | 1997
90 | Neil Young | After the Gold Rush | 1970
91 | Bruce Springsteen | Darkness on the Edge of Town | 1978
92 | The Jimi Hendrix Experience | Axis: Bold as Love | 1967
93 | Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott | Supa Dupa Fly | 1997
94 | The Stooges | Fun House | 1970
95 | Drake | Take Care | 2011
96 | R.E.M. | Automatic for the People | 1992
97 | Metallica | Master of Puppets | 1986
98 | Lucinda Williams | Car Wheels on a Gravel Road | 1998
99 | Taylor Swift | Red | 2012
100 | The Band | Music from Big Pink | 1968
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Albums exclusive to the AMF T100:
8 | Arcade Fire | Funeral | 2004
15 | Pixies | Doolittle | 1989
16 | The Smiths | The Queen Is Dead | 1986
23 | The Rolling Stones | Sticky Fingers | 1971
27 | Sufjan Stevens | Illinois | 2005
30 | Radiohead | The Bends | 1995
32 | Radiohead | In Rainbows | 2007
35 | Portishead | Dummy | 1994
39 | Television | Marquee Moon | 1977
40 | Love | Forever Changes | 1967
42 | The Strokes | Is This It | 2001
43 | U2 | The Joshua Tree | 1987
46 | Simon & Garfunkel | Bridge Over Troubled Water | 1970
47 | LCD Soundsystem | Sound of Silver | 2007
50 | The Stone Roses | The Stone Roses | 1989
51 | Oasis | (What's the Story) Morning Glory? | 1995
54 | The Zombies | Odessey and Oracle | 1968
55 | Pink Floyd | Wish You Were Here | 1975
57 | The Rolling Stones | Beggars Banquet | 1968
58 | Bob Dylan | Bringing It All Back Home | 1965
60 | David Bowie | Low | 1977
61 | Wilco | Yankee Hotel Foxtrot | 2002
62 | Neutral Milk Hotel | In the Aeroplane Over the Sea | 1998
65 | The Velvet Underground | The Velvet Underground | 1969
66 | Leonard Cohen | Songs of Leonard Cohen | 1967
68 | Björk | Homogenic | 1997
69 | Bruce Springsteen | Born in the U.S.A. | 1984
71 | Tom Waits | Rain Dogs | 1985
72 | R.E.M. | Murmur | 1983
73 | Pearl Jam | Ten | 1991
75 | The Cure | Disintegration | 1989
76 | The White Stripes | Elephant | 2003
77 | Björk | Post | 1995
78 | Kendrick Lamar | good kid, m.A.A.d. city | 2012
79 | David Bowie | ★ [Blackstar] | 2016
80 | Jeff Buckley | Grace | 1994
81 | Joy Division | Closer | 1980
82 | Creedence Clearwater Revival | Cosmo's Factory | 1970
83 | Sigur Rós | Ágætis Byrjun | 1999
84 | Sonic Youth | Daydream Nation | 1988
87 | Nirvana | In Utero | 1993
88 | Elvis Costello | This Year's Model | 1978
89 | The Beatles | Magical Mystery Tour | 1967
90 | Weezer | Weezer [Blue Album] | 1994
92 | U2 | Achtung Baby | 1991
93 | Joy Division | Unknown Pleasures | 1979
94 | Lou Reed | Transformer | 1972
95 | King Crimson | In the Court of the Crimson King | 1969
96 | Belle and Sebastian | If You're Feeling Sinister | 1996
97 | Pixies | Surfer Rosa | 1988
98 | Bob Dylan | The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan | 1963
99 | Beck | Odelay | 1996
100 | Arcade Fire | The Suburbs | 2010

Albums exclusive to the RS T100:
10 | Lauryn Hill | The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill | 1998
13 | Aretha Franklin | I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You | 1967
22 | The Notorious B.I.G. | Ready to Die | 1994
25 | Carole King | Tapestry | 1971
27 | Wu-Tang Clan | Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) | 1993
28 | D'Angelo | Voodoo | 2000
32 | Beyoncé | Lemonade | 2016
33 | Amy Winehouse | Back to Black | 2006
36 | Michael Jackson | Off the Wall | 1979
37 | Dr. Dre | The Chronic | 1992
43 | A Tribe Called Quest | The Low End Theory | 1991
44 | Nas | Illmatic | 1994
47 | Ramones | Ramones | 1976
48 | Bob Marley and the Wailers | Legend | 1984
49 | OutKast | Aquemini | 1998
50 | Jay-Z | The Blueprint | 2001
51 | Chuck Berry | The Great Twenty-Eight | 1982
52 | David Bowie | Station to Station | 1976
54 | James Brown | Star Time | 1991
56 | Liz Phair | Exile in Guyville | 1993
57 | The Band | The Band | 1969
59 | Stevie Wonder | Talking Book | 1972
61 | Eric B. & Rakim | Paid in Full | 1987
62 | Guns N' Roses | Appetite for Destruction | 1987
63 | Steely Dan | Aja | 1977
64 | OutKast | Stankonia | 2000
65 | James Brown | Live at the Apollo | 1963
67 | Jay-Z | Reasonable Doubt | 1996
69 | Alanis Morrissette | Jagged Little Pill | 1995
70 | N.W.A | Straight Outta Compton | 1988
71 | Bob Marley & The Wailers | Exodus | 1977
72 | Neil Young | Harvest | 1972
74 | Kanye West | The College Dropout | 2004
75 | Aretha Franklin | Lady Soul | 1968
76 | Curtis Mayfield | Superfly | 1972
78 | Elvis Presley | The Sun Sessions | 1976
79 | Frank Ocean | Blonde | 2016
80 | Sex Pistols | Never Mind the Bollocks - Here's the Sex Pistols | 1977
81 | Beyoncé | Beyoncé | 2013
82 | Sly and the Family Stone | There's a Riot Goin' On | 1971
83 | Dusty Springfield | Dusty in Memphis | 1969
84 | AC/DC | Back in Black | 1980
85 | John Lennon | Plastic Ono Band | 1970
87 | Miles Davis | Bitches Brew | 1970
89 | Erykah Badu | Baduizm | 1997
92 | The Jimi Hendrix Experience | Axis: Bold as Love | 1967
93 | Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott | Supa Dupa Fly | 1997
94 | The Stooges | Fun House | 1970
95 | Drake | Take Care | 2011
97 | Metallica | Master of Puppets | 1986
98 | Lucinda Williams | Car Wheels on a Gravel Road | 1998
99 | Taylor Swift | Red | 2012
100 | The Band | Music from Big Pink | 1968
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The inclusion of the Arcade Fire albums alone makes me prefer the AMF list. Not sure how Funeral can continue to be snubbed by RS.
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AMF is such a better list and OK Computer at 42 on RS. What a joke.
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I’m not trying to minimize the impact of Hip Hop, but I think RS went a bit overboard this time with Hip Hop. I do think our list could use more, or actually any at all other than What’s Going On, R&B/Soul. If I could pick it’d be Voodoo, the factual best Soul album of all time.
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Holden wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:25 am If I could pick it’d be Voodoo, the factual best Soul album of all time.
Pauler wrote: The nerve to put the absolutely essential Voodoo at 81.
Illiniq wrote: Black Messiah (most overrated record of decade, D'Angelo gives hazy soul a new definition of hazy - nothing clear ever in his arrangements - hate Voodoo too, one of my top 10 all time most overrated artists
Interesting how polarizing D'Angelo and Voodoo seem to be. People who love him really, really love him. His appeal is lost on me.
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I've done a comparison counting RYM as well.
RYM_RS_AMF500.png
The lists are fairly similar, with Rolling Stone perhaps lagging a bit behind the others. A big part of this is also that I'm more familiar with the albums in the AMF list than the others. Here's how many albums I have rated among each list in various regions.

Top 10:

RYM: 7
RS: 9
AMF: 10

Top 50:

RYM: 32
RS: 34
AMF: 39

Top 100:

RYM: 60
RS: 60
AMF: 70

Top 200:

RYM: 93
RS: 104
AMF: 122

Top 500:

RYM: 145
RS: 192
AMF: 251
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AMF by a mile. Rolling Stone to some extent are curating for their largely Boomer audience’s nostalgia and historic vanity and thus are very close minded about newer and nichier genres.

People who’ve been spinning the same great albums for 50 years and aren’t taking new applications to be admitted to their personal musical canon.
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Rolling Stone's list is a joke, The AMF's is way better. Surprisingly, There are 3 people who voted for RS! They probably have a crush on Taylor Swift.
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I voted for RS, because it shows more variety. That said, both are just basic reproductions of the canon and I'm moving further away from it the more I listen to other things.
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The albums exclusive to each list really just show the biases of each group: AMF against "genre" music like hip hop, R&B, metal, and punk; Rolling Stone against indie rock and any other guitar rock music of the last 40 years. I chose AMF because there are too many essential albums left out by RS, but it's a much closer debate than it would have been with the previous version of the RS list. Stuff like The Low End Theory, 36 Chambers, Illmatic, etc. really should be making our top 100 at this point (though to be fair, those albums were all in the 101-150 section).
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Jirin wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:52 pm AMF by a mile. Rolling Stone to some extent are curating for their largely Boomer audience’s nostalgia and historic vanity and thus are very close minded about newer and nichier genres.
Are you looking at the right RS list? Or does Boomer nostalgia now extend to 90s and 00s R&B and hip hop?
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Jackson wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:07 pm The albums exclusive to each list really just show the biases of each group: AMF against "genre" music like hip hop, R&B, metal, and punk; Rolling Stone against indie rock and any other guitar rock music of the last 40 years. I chose AMF because there are too many essential albums left out by RS, but it's a much closer debate than it would have been with the previous version of the RS list. Stuff like The Low End Theory, 36 Chambers, Illmatic, etc. really should be making our top 100 at this point (though to be fair, those albums were all in the 101-150 section).
This is a good line of thought, I’d agree with you. Personally not a big fan of 36 Chambers but I understand all of your points
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Jackson wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:07 pm The albums exclusive to each list really just show the biases of each group: AMF against "genre" music like hip hop, R&B, metal, and punk; Rolling Stone against indie rock and any other guitar rock music of the last 40 years. I chose AMF because there are too many essential albums left out by RS, but it's a much closer debate than it would have been with the previous version of the RS list. Stuff like The Low End Theory, 36 Chambers, Illmatic, etc. really should be making our top 100 at this point (though to be fair, those albums were all in the 101-150 section).
Yeah that's pretty much my opinion and it makes the choice actually pretty hard... if you look at the top 500 it's AM all the way, the top 100 I am much less sure of.
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My favorite album being 8th on our list and 500th on Rolling Stone's pretty much seals the deal. I do love that they have Lauryn Hill, the Aretha albums, Lemonade, and The College Dropout so high, but there are far more albums in my top 100 that are on the AMF list and absent from RS than vice versa.
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As great as the all-time poll was, there was too much of an emphasis on "classic rock" and albums in general that were canonized before many of us were even born (there were only five albums from the 2010s in the top 100; one of those albums was released by someone who released the bulk of their acclaimed work in the 1970s) and this list wasn't as kind to genres like hip hop and pop.
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The presence of the 2010s in the Rolling Stone list is nice, though Take Care and Red read as really bizarre inclusions to me - and I really hate the lack of 2000s rock. Meanwhile, I feel like AMF has a weird problem where anyone who cares enough to look at the consensus list like on the main site and then stick around the forums are going to lean toward the genres represented on that list. As such, I think the majority of us at least appreciate classic rock, which gets highlighted when our tastes are combined. Like, I'd love to see electronic and hip hop do better, but we don't seem to attract many people who outright prefer those genres to rock.

Our demographics are also a mess: we have maybe a handful of women and genderqueer folk, while I imagine the grand majority of us are white. Our list certainly reads like something compiled by white men. I still overall prefer the albums on our list, but I find it kind of sad that Rolling Stone is now more accepting of modern music.

One trend I am also starting to feel is that younger people feel compelled to look back at classic albums so that they will be taken seriously by older music fans, but many older people don't feel the same compulsion to treat seriously the works created after they established their personal canon. This, again, causes the list to be lopsided toward classic rock. People won't bat an eye at a list that includes almost nothing after the 90s, while it feels like people would raise their eyebrows at anyone who did the opposite.
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BleuPanda wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:12 pm The presence of the 2010s in the Rolling Stone list is nice, though Take Care and Red read as really bizarre inclusions to me - and I really hate the lack of 2000s rock. Meanwhile, I feel like AMF has a weird problem where anyone who cares enough to look at the consensus list like on the main site and then stick around the forums are going to lean toward the genres represented on that list. As such, I think the majority of us at least appreciate classic rock, which gets highlighted when our tastes are combined. Like, I'd love to see electronic and hip hop do better, but we don't seem to attract many people who outright prefer those genres to rock.

Our demographics are also a mess: we have maybe a handful of women and genderqueer folk, while I imagine the grand majority of us are white. Our list certainly reads like something compiled by white men. I still overall prefer the albums on our list, but I find it kind of sad that Rolling Stone is now more accepting of modern music.

One trend I am also starting to feel is that younger people feel compelled to look back at classic albums so that they will be taken seriously by older music fans, but many older people don't feel the same compulsion to treat seriously the works created after they established their personal canon. This, again, causes the list to be lopsided toward classic rock. People won't bat an eye at a list that includes almost nothing after the 90s, while it feels like people would raise their eyebrows at anyone who did the opposite.
Maybe, Maybe not. Maybe modern music is not as good as classic music. 2010s music sounds soulless to me(Not all of them). I am not huge a fan of rap but even when I want to listen to rap, I go back to late 80s,90s and early 2000s because singers used to sing passionately. The reason why classic rock did great on AMF list is because it's so great! and even if you wanna appreciate modern music, You should select right records to appreciate, RS selected wrong albums to represent modern era.

About the part you said young people put classic albums to be taken seriously, Personally, I don't do that. I put Blurryface at #14 and Meteora at #11 on my list.
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As someone who put 18 albums from the 2010s in my top 100, I agree that Cold Butterfly and BleuPanda's points are fair criticisms of both lists. I actually thought the Rolling Stone list was an important step in the right direction, featuring some huge jumps and high placements for recent albums, although it is still skewed toward the old albums we've come to expect in these lists. But it does signify that there is hope as far as your list point is concerned. I first discovered this site through a Sporcle quiz, where the comments dismissed it as ridiculous for having Paper Planes so high and Get Ur Freak On above any Pink Floyd song. But now songs and albums from the 2000s are slowly working their way into the canon. I think that shift will continue as our generation takes over more and more of the listmaking, and it will end up being a good thing that we take the previously established canon seriously, even if many people from my parents' generation are like my dad, who basically gave up hope on new music ever since disco came around.
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andyd1010 wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:59 pm As someone who put 18 albums from the 2010s in my top 100, I agree that Cold Butterfly and BleuPanda's points are fair criticisms of both lists. I actually thought the Rolling Stone list was an important step in the right direction, featuring some huge jumps and high placements for recent albums, although it is still skewed toward the old albums we've come to expect in these lists. But it does signify that there is hope as far as your list point is concerned. I first discovered this site through a Sporcle quiz, where the comments dismissed it as ridiculous for having Paper Planes so high and Get Ur Freak On above any Pink Floyd song. But now songs and albums from the 2000s are slowly working their way into the canon. I think that shift will continue as our generation takes over more and more of the listmaking, and it will end up being a good thing that we take the previously established canon seriously, even if many people from my parents' generation are like my dad, who basically gave up hope on new music ever since disco came around.
I don't blame the older generation as much as I feel this is a universal trend unless people take active measures to keep exposing themselves to new work. I'm sure people my age will be singing praise of the albums of the 2000s and 2010s in the same way the average boomer cling to the 60s and 70s. I'm probably the most canon-inclined person on this forum, so I definitely agree it's important that people look to the past - but I'm also of the belief that all eras and styles have their own cultural value and thus that the canon should be studied in periods to actually mean anything. To me, the yearly lists on the main website are infinitely more valuable than the overall top 3000/10000, even if they derive from the same data.

The main reason I wanted to point it out is that if Group A listens mostly to Albums A while Group B listens to both Albums A and Albums B, Albums A will logistically have the advantage in a consensus list.
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AMF by a mile for me. (And not just because it has The Cure's "Disintegration.") :music-guitarred:
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I'm an older person, but I did have 86 albums from the 2010s and 89 albums from the 2000s in my top 500 - most of which are not by legacy artists. So from my POV it is not so much that older fans are ignoring modern music as that we don't love the same albums as younger voters. I don't see this as an issue; tastes evolve.

I can't feel positive about the RS list though when they leave out albums like Dummy & Funeral & Doolittle & Bridge Over Troubled Water & The Queen is Dead. This just feels more like a STATEMENT than anything else. In time I expect the AMF list will look somewhat more like the RS list, but only somewhat.
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And from my point of view, I find the three lists extremely similar (with RYM).
When you see the percentage of albums in common in all three, and even more so if you look at a TOP500, it's very very very very American-Anglo centered!

You don't realise how it's always the same albums or artists that come back, almost totally excluding masterpieces from other countries.

I really have the impression that you "fight" over which list is light olive green and which is dark olive green when there is blue and red that is otherwise never mentioned or even considered. :mrgreen:
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Jackson wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:09 pm
Jirin wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:52 pm AMF by a mile. Rolling Stone to some extent are curating for their largely Boomer audience’s nostalgia and historic vanity and thus are very close minded about newer and nichier genres.
Are you looking at the right RS list? Or does Boomer nostalgia now extend to 90s and 00s R&B and hip hop?
Hip hop is the *only* modern genre they even acknowledge.
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DaveC wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:46 pm I'm an older person, but I did have 86 albums from the 2010s and 89 albums from the 2000s in my top 500 - most of which are not by legacy artists. So from my POV it is not so much that older fans are ignoring modern music as that we don't love the same albums as younger voters. I don't see this as an issue; tastes evolve.

I can't feel positive about the RS list though when they leave out albums like Dummy & Funeral & Doolittle & Bridge Over Troubled Water & The Queen is Dead. This just feels more like a STATEMENT than anything else. In time I expect the AMF list will look somewhat more like the RS list, but only somewhat.

Not all older people, just the ones who still read print magazines that peaked in the 60s.

People who insist all great music comes from one era are people who have only ever listened with an truly open mind to that era. Who decided what good music was at 24 and then used that definition as a measuring stick moving forward.
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Jirin wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:18 pm
Jackson wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:09 pm
Jirin wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:52 pm AMF by a mile. Rolling Stone to some extent are curating for their largely Boomer audience’s nostalgia and historic vanity and thus are very close minded about newer and nichier genres.
Are you looking at the right RS list? Or does Boomer nostalgia now extend to 90s and 00s R&B and hip hop?
Hip hop is the *only* modern genre they even acknowledge.
Agreed. I personally feel like punk/post-punk is having a Renaissance, and electronic music is as good as ever. But they don’t put those in the lists...
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Romain wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:05 pm And from my point of view, I find the three lists extremely similar (with RYM).
When you see the percentage of albums in common in all three, and even more so if you look at a TOP500, it's very very very very American-Anglo centered!

You don't realise how it's always the same albums or artists that come back, almost totally excluding masterpieces from other countries.

I really have the impression that you "fight" over which list is light olive green and which is dark olive green when there is blue and red that is otherwise never mentioned or even considered. :mrgreen:
I was thinking of this. And maybe we'd need a poll of non-Anglo albums of alltime for introducing to new music to the forum.
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panam wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:09 am
Romain wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:05 pm And from my point of view, I find the three lists extremely similar (with RYM).
When you see the percentage of albums in common in all three, and even more so if you look at a TOP500, it's very very very very American-Anglo centered!

You don't realise how it's always the same albums or artists that come back, almost totally excluding masterpieces from other countries.

I really have the impression that you "fight" over which list is light olive green and which is dark olive green when there is blue and red that is otherwise never mentioned or even considered. :mrgreen:
I was thinking of this. And maybe we'd need a poll of non-Anglo albums of alltime for introducing to new music to the forum.
Not a bad idea (or even a simple tournament would be enough).
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prosecutorgodot wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:14 am
panam wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:09 am
Romain wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:05 pm And from my point of view, I find the three lists extremely similar (with RYM).
When you see the percentage of albums in common in all three, and even more so if you look at a TOP500, it's very very very very American-Anglo centered!

You don't realise how it's always the same albums or artists that come back, almost totally excluding masterpieces from other countries.

I really have the impression that you "fight" over which list is light olive green and which is dark olive green when there is blue and red that is otherwise never mentioned or even considered. :mrgreen:
I was thinking of this. And maybe we'd need a poll of non-Anglo albums of alltime for introducing to new music to the forum.
Not a bad idea (or even a simple tournament would be enough).
I think a tournament format would encourage more discovery than a poll
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Listyguy wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:21 pm
prosecutorgodot wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:14 am
panam wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:09 am

I was thinking of this. And maybe we'd need a poll of non-Anglo albums of alltime for introducing to new music to the forum.
Not a bad idea (or even a simple tournament would be enough).
I think a tournament format would encourage more discovery than a poll
I think broadening it a wee bit. What about a tournament which encompasses albums not recorded by UK / USA artists as there are awesome albums by Australian / NZ artists that get short shrift on lists like these.
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How about one tournament for each region? (Europe, Aus/NZ, East Asia, Latin America, sub-Saharan Africa, etc.) That way no one will feel shrifted.
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Love the idea of a non-Anglo tournament! Basing it round songs might be an even more accessible gateway to underexposed music though? I can easily accommodate an albums-centred take on it though and I'd relish hearing some eclectic stuff regardless of the criteria.
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There's a format you could follow, because there was actually a songs version of this idea many years ago.
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