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Record of the Year
“Black Parade” — Beyoncé — Beyoncé & Derek Dixie, producers; Stuart White, engineer/mixer; Colin Leonard, mastering engineer
“Colors” — Black Pumas — Adrian Quesada, producer; Adrian Quesada, engineer/mixer; JJ Golden, mastering engineer
“Rockstar” —DaBaby Featuring Roddy Ricch — SethinTheKitchen, producer; Derek “MixedByAli” Ali, Chris Dennis & Liz Robson, engineers/mixers; Susan Tabor, mastering engineer
“Say So” — Doja Cat — Tyson Trax, producer; Clint Gibbs, engineer/mixer; Mike Bozzi, mastering engineer
“Everything I Wanted” — Billie Eilish — Finneas O’Connell, producer; Rob Kinelski & Finneas O’Connell, engineers/mixers; John Greenham, mastering engineer
“Don’t Start Now” — Dua Lipa — Caroline Ailin & Ian Kirkpatrick, producers; Josh Gudwin, Drew Jurecka & Ian Kirkpatrick, engineers/mixers; Chris Gehringer, mastering engineer
“Circles” — Post Malone — Louis Bell, Frank Dukes & Post Malone, producers; Louis Bell & Manny Marroquin, engineers/mixers; Mike Bozzi, mastering engineer
“Savage” — Megan Thee Stallion Featuring Beyoncé — Beyoncé & J. White Did It, producers; Stuart White, engineer/mixer; Colin Leonard, mastering engineer


Album of the Year
“Chilombo” — Jhené Aiko — Fisticuffs & Julian-Quán Việt Lê, producers; Fisticuffs, Julian-Quán Việt Lê, Zeke Mishanec, Christian Plata & Gregg Rominiecki, engineers/mixers; Jhené Aiko Efuru Chilombo, Julian-Quán Việt Lê, Maclean Robinson & Brian Keith Warfield, songwriters; Dave Kutch, mastering engineer
“Black Pumas (Deluxe Edition)” — Black Pumas — Jon Kaplan & Adrian Quesada, producers; Adrian Quesada, Jacob Sciba, Stuart Sikes & Erik Wofford, engineers/mixers; Eric Burton & Adrian Quesada, songwriters; JJ Golden, mastering engineer
“Everyday Life” — Coldplay — Daniel Green, Bill Rahko & Rik Simpson, producers; Mark “Spike” Stent, engineer/mixer; Guy Berryman, Jonny Buckland, Will Champion & Chris Martin, songwriters; Emily Lazar, mastering engineer
“Djesse Vol.3” — Jacob Collier — Jacob Collier, producer; Ben Bloomberg & Jacob Collier, engineers/mixers; Jacob Collier, songwriter; Chris Allgood & Emily Lazar, mastering engineers
“Women in Music Pt. III” — HAIM — Rostam Batmanglij, Danielle Haim & Ariel Rechtshaid, producers; Rostam Batmanglij, Jasmine Chen, John DeBold, Matt DiMona, Tom Elmhirst, Joey Messina-Doerning & Ariel Rechtshaid, engineers/mixers; Rostam Batmanglij, Alana Haim, Danielle Haim, Este Haim & Ariel Rechtshaid, songwriters; Emily Lazar, mastering engineer
“Future Nostalgia” — Dua Lipa — Koz, producer; Josh Gudwin & Cameron Gower Poole, engineers/mixers; Clarence Coffee Jr. & Dua Lipa, songwriters; Chris Gehringer, mastering engineer
“Hollywood’s Bleeding” — Post Malone — Louis Bell & Frank Dukes, producers; Louis Bell & Manny Marroquin, engineers/mixers; Louis Bell, Adam Feeney, Austin Post & Billy Walsh, songwriters; Mike Bozzi, mastering engineer
“Folklore” — Taylor Swift — Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner & Taylor Swift, producers; Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner, Serban Ghenea, John Hanes, Jonathan Low & Laura Sisk, engineers/mixers; Aaron Dessner & Taylor Swift, songwriters; Randy Merrill, mastering engineer


Song of the Year
“Black Parade” — Denisia Andrews, Beyoncé, Stephen Bray, Shawn Carter, Brittany Coney, Derek James Dixie, Akil King, Kim “Kaydence” Krysiuk & Rickie “Caso” Tice, songwriters (Beyoncé)
“The Box” — Samuel Gloade & Rodrick Moore, songwriters (Roddy Ricch)
“Cardigan” — Aaron Dessner & Taylor Swift, songwriters (Taylor Swift)
"Circles" - Louis Bell, Adam Feeney, Kaan Gunesberk, Austin Post & Billy Walsh, songwriters (Post Malone)
“Don’t Start Now” — Caroline Ailin, Ian Kirkpatrick, Dua Lipa & Emily Warren, songwriters (Dua Lipa)
“Everything I Wanted” — Billie Eilish O’Connell & Finneas O’Connell, songwriters (Billie Eilish)
“I Can’t Breathe” — Dernst Emile II, H.E.R. & Tiara Thomas, songwriters (H.E.R.)
“If the World Was Ending” — Julia Michaels & JP Saxe, songwriters (JP Saxe Featuring Julia Michaels)


Best New Artist
Ingrid Andress
Phoebe Bridgers
Chika
Noah Cyrus
D Smoke
Doja Cat
Kaytranada
Megan Thee Stallion
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Sort of underwhelming and predictable but nice to see love for Black Pumas!

Actually upon exploration of the other categories the rock ones are quite interesting! Best rock album nomination for A Hero’s Death!!!
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These were very unpredictable with many unexpected surprises, good and bad.


Here's a few notes:

- I actually thought The Weeknd would sweep the General Field, and now he didn't get a single nomination. Suits him for submitting in the Pop field.

- I have only heard five of the eight AOY nominees, but this line-up is a mess. I could live without Post Malone, Taylor Swift, HAIM and Dua Lipa, but I'm delighted Black Pumas got this much attention.

- Generally I think this year is far weaker than last year. ROY is very weak aside from "Colors" and "everything i wanted". SOY additionally has "I Can't Breathe".

- Phoebe Bridgers and Fiona Apple are sorely missing in the General Field. Since Taylor Swift and Dua Lipa have multiple nominations (Lipa in all three categories), I guess they didn't make the Top 20, which is weird. I seriously thought Apple would easily get in.

- If they give Swift her third AOY I'll be mad.

- BNA will go to Megan Thee Stallion, even though Phoebe Bridgers deserves it far more.

- The Pop field is incredibly boring aside from "everything i wanted" and "exile".

- 'Best Rock Song' is the best song category: "Kyoto", "Lost in Yesterday", "Not", "Shameika" and "Stay High". I wouldn't mind all of those in ROY or SOY.

- Speaking of Brittany Howard: She got into three different fields (Rock, R&B, American Roots), but got no AOY nomination. If she had gotten nominated, she would win.

- Alternative Music Album tends to be my favorite category. This year proves once again why: Fiona Apple, Brittany Howard, Phoebe Bridgers, Tame Impala. I haven't heard the Beck album yet.

- I thought for sure Roddy Ricch would take Rap Album, and he's not even nominated...

- Laurie Anderson in New Age Album is very nice.

- The Jazz field is always very conservative. Once again they nominate Chick Corea multiple times. I am glad about Ambrose Akinmusire and especialy Terri Lyne Carrington. Waiting Game deserved far more attention (even if I don't understand why it is in Instrumental Album, it's not).

- Very happy about Lido Pimienta in Latin Rock or Alternative Album.

- Folk Album is pretty strong. Bonny Light Horseman, Laura Marling and Leonard Cohen all made albums I really enjoyed. Gotta check out Gillian Welch and The Secret Sisters.

- Star Wars is nominated for Score once again. I hope Gudnadóttir takes this.

- Cats is nominated in Song for Visual Media...

- Prince is nominated in Best Historical Album for the Super Deluxe Version of 1999.

- I need to check out stuff from the Contemporary Instrumental Album, Global Music Album and Contemporary Classical Composition categories. I also need to listen to the three AOY contenders I haven't heard yet.
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This needs to go to the EOY section
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The Grammy noms are always head-scratching, but The Weeknd getting shut out is exceptionally weird. I thought "Blinding Lights" was as much up the Grammys' alley as you could get.

Fetch the Bolt Cutters not getting nominations in the general categories is very disappointing.

Agree on the rock categories having some pretty strong nominations.

How does Run the Jewels never get any Grammy love?
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I'm actually more surprised people expected Fetch the Bolt Cutters. The album is a critical and music nerd darling, but has no mainstream presence at all and "Album of the Year" with the Grammies is basically another spelling of "Most Mainstream Presence (in the USA) of the Year". The presence of Post Malone - disliked or outright hated by many critics and music freaks, but loved by the masses at large - should clue you in how to interpret this. The Weeknd not being nominated is in that regard the real surprise.

Also odd that Phoebe Bridgers is considered a new artist. If you take in mind her side projects with Boygenius and Better Oblivion Community Center this is her fourth album!
Schüttelbirne wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:28 pm - If they give Swift her third AOY I'll be mad.
I don't follow the predictions, but be prepared to get angry, as Folklore will likely win, as it was the mainstream darling of the year. I guess you're not happy if I say that Dua Lipa is the likely runner-up?
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Rob wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:46 pm Also odd that Phoebe Bridgers is considered a new artist. If you take in mind her side projects with Boygenius and Better Oblivion Community Center this is her fourth album!
I had the same reaction. Reminds me of Nirvana getting nominated after Nevermind.

I'm also disappointed but not surprised by the lack of Fiona Apple.
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Schüttelbirne wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:28 pm Gotta check out Gillian Welch and The Secret Sisters.
I can't praise the Secret Sisters album highly enough. Don't go in expecting anything revolutionary but it's the right place for big-hearted, harmony-rich country that straddles trad and alt. Gillian Welch's newest, meanwhile, has its moments without reaching the heights of 2011's The Harrow & The Harvest, the only other album I've heard of hers.
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Rob wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:46 pm Also odd that Phoebe Bridgers is considered a new artist. If you take in mind her side projects with Boygenius and Better Oblivion Community Center this is her fourth album!
It used to be the case that an artist can only be nominated in BNA if he's released his second album in the eligibility period. But since whoever was responsible for the nominations last year flat-out broke their own rule when nominating Lizzo in BNA, they just changed it so any artist can be nominated, who had his "breakthrough" in the eligibility period. Bridgers does fit that narrative, because, from what I perceive, Punisher is way bigger and more popular than Stranger in the Alps was.
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Let's rant a bit further, for fun (you may totally skip this, it's not that interesting :mrgreen:):

The main problem with AOY is that people have been complaining for years that African-American artists are at a disadvantage in the general field. The last three to win AOY were Herbie Hancock (for a cover album of Joni Mitchell songs; arguably a "you're overdue" award directed more towards her than to him), Ray Charles (for his last album, which was basically a "we're sorry we've never given you something before" award) and OutKast (where they basically had no other choice without completely discrediting themselves).
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Billie Eilish
Kacey Musgraves
Bruno Mars
Adele
Taylor Swift
Beck
Daft Punk
Mumford & Sons
Adele
Arcade Fire
Taylor Swift

Notice a pattern?
And now the comittee stacks the field exactly in the way that the winners in order of likelihood probably are:
1. Taylor Swift
2. Dua Lipa
3. Post Malone
4. Black Pumas
5. HAIM
6. Jhené Aiko
7. Jacob Collier
8. Coldplay

I don't normally complain about things like that, but in the nominations announcement, the Recording Academy President praised the nominations as being incredibly diverse in race, gender and genre, when really they aren't.
I can't believe neither The Weeknd nor Brittany Howard, who would have actually been in the running to win, landed in the Top 20 AOY, below Jacob Collier and Coldplay. "Blinding Lights" was also probably in the Top 20 ROY, but they choose to nominate two Beyoncé songs (like she needs any more nominations...).

ROY looks better but will probably go to either Dua Lipa or Billie Eilish. SOY will probably go to Swift, but maybe H.E.R. can make her mark, but I don't know if I should believe in that, considering that SOY is more like ROY 2.0, in that the lyrics actually don't really matter that much. I could go into these categories further, but not now...

It's also not the first time they blocked an artist from the general field because of ? reasons. Nobody can tell me "Shape of You" and Divide didn't make the Top 20 in the year they were eligible in, but he didn't get nominated.

I do like the Grammys generally, because I tend to make discoveries I otherwise wouldn't have made (EMANON and Fanm d'Ayiti come to mind), but I don't really care about the winners. It just annoys me that these people act like they're trying to diversify the music industry (which is, what they literally say on their front page), but then manipulate the AOY race to give an artist who already has two AOY her third one.
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Grammys have a bit of the opposite problem of the Oscars in my opinion: too much of the radio, Top 40 stuff here, whereas the oscars is has too many films non-cinephiles would consider somewhat elitist. As a person who loves pretentious things, it makes it much easier for me to enjoy the Oscars than the Grammys. Both of course need to do some serious work on the diversity of their top categories. Oddly enough, I’d say that the Emmys have actually found a good balance and are easily the best set of nominees every year.
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Oh god Phoebe Bridgers totally deserves Best New Artist, though I doubt she'll get it.
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prosecutorgodot wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:48 am Oh god Phoebe Bridgers totally deserves Best New Artist, though I doubt she'll get it.
She would have deserved it even more in 2017, when she actually was a new artist. It would be great if she won, though.

I'm probably more surprised that Bob Dylan didn't get an Album of the Year nomination than I am about Fiona Apple. Both deserve to be there (as does Bridgers). I agree that T-Swift is extremely likely to get her third Grammy in that category, and I agree that that's a little ridiculous. But I won't begrudge her getting it for folklore, which is a really good album IMO.
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Harold wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:15 am
prosecutorgodot wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:48 am Oh god Phoebe Bridgers totally deserves Best New Artist, though I doubt she'll get it.
She would have deserved it even more in 2017, when she actually was a new artist. It would be great if she won, though.

I'm probably more surprised that Bob Dylan didn't get an Album of the Year nomination than I am about Fiona Apple. Both deserve to be there (as does Bridgers). I agree that T-Swift is extremely likely to get her third Grammy in that category, and I agree that that's a little ridiculous. But I won't begrudge her getting it for folklore, which is a really good album IMO.
Definitely better than her other wins.
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Harold wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:15 am
prosecutorgodot wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:48 am Oh god Phoebe Bridgers totally deserves Best New Artist, though I doubt she'll get it.
She would have deserved it even more in 2017, when she actually was a new artist. It would be great if she won, though.

I'm probably more surprised that Bob Dylan didn't get an Album of the Year nomination than I am about Fiona Apple. Both deserve to be there (as does Bridgers). I agree that T-Swift is extremely likely to get her third Grammy in that category, and I agree that that's a little ridiculous. But I won't begrudge her getting it for folklore, which is a really good album IMO.
Yeah I agree. More than her previous 2 wins, folklore is by far her most worthy submission for Album of the Year: great songwriting throughout ("peace" for example is simply sublime), beautiful instrumentation & vocals although some songs can be cut out.
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Schüttelbirne wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:45 pm I can't believe neither The Weeknd nor Brittany Howard, who would have actually been in the running to win
Why do you think Brittany Howard had a shot at winning? It seems unlikely to me. If she was nominated it would be more the weird-one out, like Sturgill Simpson a few years ago. Or perhaps I'm missing something about the popularity of Howard; I have been mostly out of the loop with the mainstream since 2017 or so.
It's also not the first time they blocked an artist from the general field because of ? reasons. Nobody can tell me "Shape of You" and Divide didn't make the Top 20 in the year they were eligible in, but he didn't get nominated.
That is odd, as Ed Sheeran is a prototypical Grammy candidate (and he was nominated before), but personally I think as Ed Sheeran as The Great Nothing of music, so perhaps even the Grammies don't find him all that compelling. I mean, not even poptimist critics seem particularly interested in ranking him in the list (please don't let there be a nostalgic critical revaluation of Sheeran in 20-30 years).
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Rob wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:21 am
Schüttelbirne wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:45 pm I can't believe neither The Weeknd nor Brittany Howard, who would have actually been in the running to win
Why do you think Brittany Howard had a shot at winning? It seems unlikely to me. If she was nominated it would be more the weird-one out, like Sturgill Simpson a few years ago. Or perhaps I'm missing something about the popularity of Howard; I have been mostly out of the loop with the mainstream since 2017 or so.
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1. The nomination process in every category is different and the rulebook for the Grammys is dozens of pages long. The most important and quintessential thing to know about the General Field categories is that the eight albums/songs present there are NOT the eight albums/songs that got the most votes.
The albums/songs are from the Top 20, but a secret committee decides which ones actually get nominated. The people on this committee are supposed to vote confidentially on which ones advance, but they are also supposed to ensure diversity in the final results. A lot of people think the process is rigged to give certain artists with good connections a better chance at nominations. The former Grammy CEO (who was recently fired for bullying claims or something like that) supported that by saying that the voting process is indeed rigged.
This means that an artist like Justin Bieber getting in the General Field over David Bowie and D'Angelo can be attributed to the connections he (or his label) has in the industry.
The Recording Academy calls these allegations wrong (of course they do). I certainly wouldn't know if any of this is true, but let's take a look at Ed Sheeran.

2. Ed Sheeran was nominated in the General Field in 2013 for SOY ("The A Team"), but not in the Pop Field. The following year he was nominated for Best New Artist. The following year he was nominated for AOY (x) and Best Pop Vocal Album. In 2016 (the year right after) he was nominated for the single from that album, "Thinking Out Loud", in ROY, SOY and Best Pop Solo Performance, winning the latter two.
Then he took a year off, but he was back in 2018 with Divide and "Shape of You" which happens to be one of the most successful singles of the decade.
The multiple nominations he received in his career show that he has support within the Recording Academy, especially in the Pop Field.
(Short explanation: The Grammys have different fields, based on the different music genres. There's a Pop field, a R&B field, a Jazz field, a Gospel/Contemporary Christian Music field etc.)
The Pop field does NOT have a committe that reviews the Top 15 and then decides on the final five nominees, like most fields do. The albums and songs nominated in Pop Field are actually the ones that received the most votes.
Ed Sheeran did receive two nominations in 2018, for Divide in Best Pop Vocal Album and for "Shape of You" in Best Pop Solo Performance, both of which he won. Just receiving the nominations shows that he had huge support by the people voting in the Pop field. The Pop field has tremendous influence.
However he did not receive a nomination in ROY, SOY or AOY. Lorde's Melodrama was nominated in AOY, but not in Pop Vocal Album, which means she was not even in the Top 6 of the albums most highly voted for in the Pop Field. This means she had a lot of support from other fields, like Rock or Jazz, which got her in the Top 20 albums.
The final nominations looked like this: Jay-Z, Kendrick Lamar, Bruno Mars, Childish Gambino and Lorde. That's two artists from the Rap field, two from the R&B field and one from the Pop field (who also received votes from other fields).
"Awaken, My Love!" was nominated in Best Urban Contemporary Album, but lost to Starboy by The Weeknd. Even assuming that Childish Gambino got support from other fields like New Age or Latin, the probability is very high that Starboy made the Top 20. It's the same with Divide. I highly doubt it missed the Top 20 because the Pop field support is very strong. Normally, the Pop field easily gets multiple nominations in the General Field.
This leads to the assumption that the committe did not vote for Ed Sheeran. A possible reason is the fact that he probably would have won ROY of the year easily and basically beaten all competition.
Now, I am not sore about this at all. Sheeran got awarded in the General Field before and the eventual line-up was very strong and had a variety of styles and genres represented. The below-the-line genres like Jazz or World Music were never gonna show up anyways, so having an Urban, a R&B, two Rap albums and an album with a wide voting body did show real variety.
But what about this year?

3. After Hours was the prime contender for sweeping the General Field. If you read any article about predictions for the Grammys, this was the general consensus (I don't follow the predictions too closely, but I did read some of them). "Blinding Lights" was one of the biggest hits of the year.
However, he received not a single nomination. A lot of that is due to him submitting in the Pop field, when in former years he used to submit in the R&B field. Many people probably didn't even think to look for him in the Pop field (being very late in the alphabet also doesn't help), so he didn't receive enough votes there to make the Top 5 (but seriously, in what world would anybody vote for "Yummy" over "Blinding Lights"?)
For the General Field, the genre category doesn't matter. I have a hard time believing he didn't get in the Top 20 of AOY and especially ROY.
If you read any of the prediction articles, you will notice people citing BLM as a reason why they put The Weeknd in the top spot. They thought the committee will not exclude a successful African-American artist in this year.
If he did indeed not make the Top 20 (which I don't believe), they did ignore him in favor of nominating Beyoncé (the 70-time nominee and winner of countless Grammys) in ROY - twice.
The Weeknd would have won something, had he been nominated, I am pretty sure about that.

4. About Brittany Howard: She has massive support from Alabama Shakes, where she won multiple Grammys already (in Rock Performance, Rock Song, Rock Album, American Roots Performance) and Sound & Color got in AOY the year Taylor Swift won her second time for 1989 also beating The Weeknd and Kendrick Lamar.
That overwhelming support is still present:
Best Rock Performance ("Stay High")
Best Rock Song ("Stay High")
Best Alternative Music Album (Jaime)
Best R&B Performance ("Goat Head")
Best American Roots Performance ("Short and Sweet")
Best ENgineered Album (Jaime)
Last year she got nominated in Rock Performance and in Rock Song for "History Repeats" making this eight individual nominations for Jaime. No other album has this many nominations across the board in different fields.
I have a hard time believing she didn't make the Top 20 with a line-up like this. And this overhwhelming support leads me to assume she would have stood a chance at winning if she had gotten nominated.

5. But this is all mostly speculation, because ultimately I could just be wrong. It's not really a big deal, it's just disappointing to see an AOY line-up like this. I would like to see the Top 20, because I'm sure there's something in there that would make the line-up better, even if Brittany Howard and The Weeknd by some chance didn't make it.
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I noticed The Weeknd controversy and some people talk about racism. When most of the main nominees are black.

His problem was like the previous comment says that members tag his music as R&B and not pop, and the changes of last year affect him negatively.

About the main categories, most members are feminists and his music was accused to be misogynist in many occasions, so I think he was in the top 20 but they prefer to vote for women of color or artists with less controversial lyrics
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Everyday Life is nominated...hmmm Interesting.
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Thanks for the explanation Schüttelbirne. I really wonder why the Grammies don't go for a more straightforward nomination process.
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I have to take back a little what I wrote about the Grammies being a reflection of the very mainstream. There were 3 albums here that I didn't recognize, but I took that as a sign that I'm far out of the mainstream, as usual. This time however I find that Black Pumas, Chilombo and even especially Djesse Vol. 3 are not all that big. The latter two don't even have a page on Metacritic yet. Good job on them for getting in with little apparent attention, although it does make missing Fiona Apple actually seem strange.

Listening to Black Pumas now. Quite nice traditional soul, but it's hard to get where the nomination came from.
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Funny story about Black Pumas, my dad got a CD of their debut randomly as a delivery error, and sense then every once and a while we’ll just play it. My whole family loves it now, and I probably never would have listened otherwise, so a funny coincidence that lead to one of my six Albums Biggest Fans nominations.
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panam wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:35 pm I noticed The Weeknd controversy and some people talk about racism. When most of the main nominees are black.

I'm not really following. Most of the main nomimees where?

And it doesn't matter what category they tagged him in that's not an excuse as to why he got zero nominations especially in the general categories.
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bootsy wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:20 pm
panam wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:35 pm I noticed The Weeknd controversy and some people talk about racism. When most of the main nominees are black.

I'm not really following. Most of the main nomimees where?

And it doesn't matter what category they tagged him in that's not an excuse as to why he got zero nominations especially in the general categories.
I'm not giving excuses, I'm explaining. I don't work at the Recording Academy. Personally, I prefer less mainstream artists and it's sad the conversation goes to the wrong direction, more attention to artists like Black Pumas that are doing good things.
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panam wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:21 am
bootsy wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:20 pm
panam wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:35 pm I noticed The Weeknd controversy and some people talk about racism. When most of the main nominees are black.

I'm not really following. Most of the main nomimees where?

And it doesn't matter what category they tagged him in that's not an excuse as to why he got zero nominations especially in the general categories.
I'm not giving excuses, I'm explaining. I don't work at the Recording Academy. Personally, I prefer less mainstream artists and it's sad the conversation goes to the wrong direction, more attention to artists like Black Pumas that are doing good things.
You didn't really answer my question about blacks having the most of the main nominees but ok.
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bootsy wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:01 am
panam wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:21 am
bootsy wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:20 pm

I'm not really following. Most of the main nomimees where?

And it doesn't matter what category they tagged him in that's not an excuse as to why he got zero nominations especially in the general categories.
I'm not giving excuses, I'm explaining. I don't work at the Recording Academy. Personally, I prefer less mainstream artists and it's sad the conversation goes to the wrong direction, more attention to artists like Black Pumas that are doing good things.
You didn't really answer my question about blacks having the most of the main nominees but ok.
I'm not trying to give any controversy. Beyoncé is the most nominated. Also Roddy Ricch, Black Pumas and Britanny Howard are in the top. In the main categories are Megan Thee Stallion, Jhené Aiko and H.E.R. If you think Taylor Swift and Dua Lipa needs less nominations is ok. But my point is that there are other reasons for the zero nominations of The Weeknd. I'm not trying arguing.
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panam wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:32 am
bootsy wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:01 am
panam wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:21 am

I'm not giving excuses, I'm explaining. I don't work at the Recording Academy. Personally, I prefer less mainstream artists and it's sad the conversation goes to the wrong direction, more attention to artists like Black Pumas that are doing good things.
You didn't really answer my question about blacks having the most of the main nominees but ok.
I'm not trying to give any controversy. Beyoncé is the most nominated. Also Roddy Ricch, Black Pumas and Britanny Howard are in the top. In the main categories are Megan Thee Stallion, Jhené Aiko and H.E.R. If you think Taylor Swift and Dua Lipa needs less nominations is ok. But my point is that there are other reasons for the zero nominations of The Weeknd. I'm not trying arguing.
I don't think they need less noms. I never made that point. My main point was about the problem of the zero noms for The Weeknd. Anyway black artists don't have most of the main noms as you initially stated. I think this discussion is over as far as I'm concerned.
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Is there a way to move this to the EOY forum?
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It must be fun for Tina Knowles to be named dropped by your daughter in two songs nominated for Best Record.

BTW, is Beyonce the first artist to get multiple nominations for Best Record? Although, I get it's an asterisk on two, as she's the featured on Savage, a lot of people noted that Beyonce didn't just add a verse but reworked the original song.

I think the Weeknd nixing was to make room for others, like lesser-hits Colors and Black Parade, but I do think when black artists already felt snubbed for a long time by The Grammys, snubbing Weeknd fits in that continuum, even if they actually did a good job with diversity with the top nominees this year.
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poorpete wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:02 pm

BTW, is Beyonce the first artist to get multiple nominations for Best Record? Although, I get it's an asterisk on two, as she's the featured on Savage, a lot of people noted that Beyonce didn't just add a verse but reworked the original song.
From the Grammy rulebook:
1 nomination to the Artist — with the following exceptions:
2 nominations to the Artist if the second is with a co-nominee OR
2 nominations to the Artist if each are with a different co-nominee.
Beyoncé is not the first one to get two entries in ROY. Pharrell Williams got nominated for both "Blurred Lines" and "Get Lucky" in 2014, both times as a feature.
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Schüttelbirne wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:37 pm
poorpete wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:02 pm

BTW, is Beyonce the first artist to get multiple nominations for Best Record? Although, I get it's an asterisk on two, as she's the featured on Savage, a lot of people noted that Beyonce didn't just add a verse but reworked the original song.
From the Grammy rulebook:
1 nomination to the Artist — with the following exceptions:
2 nominations to the Artist if the second is with a co-nominee OR
2 nominations to the Artist if each are with a different co-nominee.
Beyoncé is not the first one to get two entries in ROY. Pharrell Williams got nominated for both "Blurred Lines" and "Get Lucky" in 2014, both times as a feature.
Dang look at that one of the like four times the Grammy results held up with time, 2014.
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Oh right! and HAPPY was 2013 too? That's insane!

Semi-aside, I'm trying to create a Best of 2020 bracket, using eight ROY grammy noms as a basis/ first round bye. Then added SOY nominees, a few of the big "snubs" and #1s from some of the big EOY lists (again, this site is so useful!). Ju$t and Shameika added as they are the most acclaimed songs from the current top 2 albums. Then added "Safaera" as there were surprisingly no latin music on the list. Then tried to make some interesting match-ups.
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Any feedback / better matchups / clear omissions?
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