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Albums list : https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... e-1096815/

50. Bartees Strange - 'Live Forever'
49. Jeff Tweedy - 'Love Is the King'
48. Kareem Ali - 'Growth'
47. Lucinda Williams - 'Good Souls Better Angels'
46. Boldy James and the Alchemist - 'The Price of Tea in China'
45. AC/DC - 'Power Up'
44. Chris Stapleton - 'Starting Over'
43. Elizabeth Cook - 'Aftermath'
42. X - 'Alphabetland'
41. Sad13 - 'Haunted Painting'
40. Paul McCartney - 'McCartney III'
39. Beabadoobee - 'Fake It Flowers'
38. Kelly Lee Owens - 'Inner Song'
37. Soccer Mommy - 'Color Theory'
36. Stephen Malkmus - 'Traditional Techniques'
35. Toots and the Maytals - 'Got to Be Tough'
34. Low Cut Connie - 'Private Lives'
33. Fontaines D.C. - 'A Hero's Death'
32. The Weeknd - 'After Hours'
31. Hayley Williams - 'Petals for Armor'
30. Four Tet - 'Sixteen Oceans'
29. Shamir - 'Shamir'
28. Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit - 'Reunions'
27. Megan Thee Stallion - 'Good News'
26. Jehnny Beth - 'To Love Is To Live'
25. Halsey - 'Manic'
24. Selena Gomez - 'Rare'
23. Miley Cyrus - 'Plastic Heart'
22. Ariana Grande - 'Positions'
21. Beach Bunny - 'Honeymoon'
20. Ashley McBryde - 'Never Will'
19. Chloe x Halle - 'Ungodly Hour'
18. Moses Sumney, 'Græ'
17. Fleet Foxes - 'Shore'
16. BTS - 'Maps of the Soul: 7'
15. Flo Milli - 'Ho, Why Is You Here?'
14. Haim - 'Women in Music Pt. III'
13. City Girls - 'City on Lock'
12. Bruce Springsteen - 'Letter to You'
11. Lady Gaga - 'Chromatica'
10. Phoebe Bridgers - 'Punisher'
09. Jessie Ware - 'What's Your Pleasure?'
08. Lil Uzi Vert - 'Eternal Atake'
07. Waxahatchee - 'Saint Cloud'
06. Run the Jewels - 'RTJ4'
05. Dua Lipa - 'Future Nostalgia'
04. Bob Dylan - 'Rough and Rowdy Ways'
03. Bad Bunny - 'YHLQMDLG'
02. Fiona Apple - 'Fetch The Bolt Cutters'
01. Taylor Swift - 'folklore'
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Further evidence that Rolling Stone is now no different than the other mainstream critics. It wouldn't be that surprising if Pitchfork has a nearly identical top ten; when was the last time you could say that? There are a few eye rolling inclusions further down the list but they also included Kelly Lee Owens and Four Tet, who probably wouldn't have had a chance at RS five years ago.
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Donchano wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:36 pm Albums list : https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... e-1096815/
Thanks for all your work transcribing these lists, Donchano.
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All that poptimism and they did not include Rina in the end :( Some of the choices are so clearly Twitter-bait that they are comical.
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... 0-1097442/

1. Cardi B feat. Megan Thee Stallion, 'WAP'
2. Bob Dylan, 'Key West (Philosopher Pirate)'
3. Christine and the Queens, 'People, I’ve Been Sad'
4. The Weeknd, 'Blinding Lights'
5. Taylor Swift, 'August'
6. Dua Lipa, 'Don’t Start Now'
7. BTS, 'Dynamite'
8. Fiona Apple, 'Ladies'
9. Harry Styles, 'Adore You'
10. The Chicks, 'Gaslighter'
11. Miley Cyrus, 'Midnight Sky'
12. Megan Thee Stallion feat. Beyonce, 'Savage Remix'
13. Blackpink, With Selena Gomez, 'Ice Cream'
14. DaBaby feat. Roddy Rich, 'Rockstar'
15. Bad Bunny feat. Jowell & Randy x Ñengo Flow, 'Safaera'
16. Lady Gaga, 'Stupid Love'
17. Phoebe Bridgers, 'Kyoto'
18. Perfume Genius, 'Describe'
19. Selena Gomez, 'Cut You Off'
20. Rina Sawayama, 'STFU!'
21. Mac Miller, 'Good News'
22. Caribou, 'You and I'
23. Oxlade, 'Away'
24. Drake, feat. Lil Durk, 'Laugh Now, Cry Later'
25. Hailey Whitters, 'Janice at the Hotel Bar'
26. Curtis Waters, feat. Harm Franklin, 'Stunnin'
27. Jhené Aiko, 'Pussy Fairy (OTW)'
28. Frances Quinlan, 'Your Reply'
29. Moodymann, 'Taken Away'
30. RMR, 'RASCAL'
31. Halsey, '3am'
32. Róisín Murphy, 'Murphy’s Law'
33. 24KGoldn, 'Mood'
34. Roddy Ricch, 'The Box'
35. Tyler Childers, 'Long Violent History'
36. Westside Gunn feat. Armani Caesar, 'Lil Cease'
37. Morgan Wallen, 'Seven Summers'
38. The 1975, 'If You’re Too Shy (Let Me Know)'
39. Fennec, 'Boy-U'
40. Pretenders, 'You Can't Hurt a Fool'
41. John Prine, 'I Remember Everything'
42. J. Balvin, 'Azul'
43. Doja Cat feat. Nicki Minaj, 'Say So'
44. Trace Mountains, 'Lost in the Country'
45. Charli XCX, 'Claws'
46. Bill Callahan, 'Pigeons'
47. Jarvis Cocker & Jarv Is, 'House Music All Night Long'
48. Sam Hunt, 'Hard to Forget'
49. Caroline Rose, 'Feel the Way I Want'
50. Fleetwood Mac, 'Dreams'????
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JohnnyBGoode wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:55 pm 50. Fleetwood Mac, 'Dreams'????
I get why they did that, but c'mon, that's cheating.
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It is really hard to make an awful list. Congratulations RS! You did it, AGAIN!
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:40 pm It is really hard to make an awful list. Congratulations RS! You did it, AGAIN!
I dunno. I think it's a pretty great list! All stuff I like or can appreciate acknowledging. But to each their own!
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It's alright. I like that they are chosing a less common choice for Fiona Apple's top song, and many of their picks from top albums are well deserved. I think that the inclusion of Fleetwood Mac's "Dreams" is abundantly strange, though.
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Holden wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:40 pm I think that the inclusion of Fleetwood Mac's "Dreams" is abundantly strange, though.
It's because of that viral Tiktok video with the smiling middle-aged guy on the skateboard chuggin' Sunny D and singing along like he doesn't have a care in the world. The song definitely had a resurgence because of that, but it doesn't justify including it on a "Best Songs of 2020" list. That's just an "ain't we cute?" move.
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StevieFan13 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:27 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:40 pm It is really hard to make an awful list. Congratulations RS! You did it, AGAIN!
I dunno. I think it's a pretty great list! All stuff I like or can appreciate acknowledging. But to each their own!
K-pop, Latin music, Drake, Halsey, WAP (Stupid song), Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande and Selena Gomez are the reasons why I consider both lists awful. Lack of rock is also another reason I don't like them. 1 or 2 entries for rock (excluding AC/DC and Fleetwood Mac, btw what are they doing in EOY lists? It's time to go!) No Porridge Radio, No Deftones,… .

At least, They put Paul McCartney. Paul is different, He should be on all the EOY lists.
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Harold wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:55 pm
Holden wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:40 pm I think that the inclusion of Fleetwood Mac's "Dreams" is abundantly strange, though.
It's because of that viral Tiktok video with the smiling middle-aged guy on the skateboard chuggin' Sunny D and singing along like he doesn't have a care in the world. The song definitely had a resurgence because of that, but it doesn't justify including it on a "Best Songs of 2020" list. That's just an "ain't we cute?" move.
Yeah, happy as that video makes me and happy as I am to see a song as great as "Dreams" make a resurgence, it'd be like calling "Never Gonna Give You Up" one of the best songs of 2008, or "Africa" one of the best songs of 2018.
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:13 pm
StevieFan13 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:27 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:40 pm It is really hard to make an awful list. Congratulations RS! You did it, AGAIN!
I dunno. I think it's a pretty great list! All stuff I like or can appreciate acknowledging. But to each their own!
K-pop, Latin music, Drake, Halsey, WAP (Stupid song), Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande and Selena Gomez are the reasons why I consider both lists awful. Lack of rock is also another reason I don't like them. 1 or 2 entries for rock (excluding AC/DC and Fleetwood Mac, btw what are they doing in EOY lists? It's time to go!) No Porridge Radio, No Deftones,… .

At least, They put Paul McCartney. Paul is different, He should be on all the EOY lists.
Why do you hate Latin music?
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:13 pm
StevieFan13 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:27 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:40 pm It is really hard to make an awful list. Congratulations RS! You did it, AGAIN!
I dunno. I think it's a pretty great list! All stuff I like or can appreciate acknowledging. But to each their own!
K-pop, Latin music, Drake, Halsey, WAP (Stupid song), Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande and Selena Gomez are the reasons why I consider both lists awful. Lack of rock is also another reason I don't like them. 1 or 2 entries for rock (excluding AC/DC and Fleetwood Mac, btw what are they doing in EOY lists? It's time to go!) No Porridge Radio, No Deftones,… .

At least, They put Paul McCartney. Paul is different, He should be on all the EOY lists.
Feel like you're limiting yourself quite a bit. There's a lot of good to be found in all the artists and genres you mentioned. Not everything has to be rock, y'know. I get mixed signals by you both decrying modern pop music while also questioning the inclusion of AC/DC. Gotta be careful or (and I say this with nothing but love) you'll start sounding like Hymie.
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panam wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:18 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:13 pm
StevieFan13 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:27 pm

I dunno. I think it's a pretty great list! All stuff I like or can appreciate acknowledging. But to each their own!
K-pop, Latin music, Drake, Halsey, WAP (Stupid song), Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande and Selena Gomez are the reasons why I consider both lists awful. Lack of rock is also another reason I don't like them. 1 or 2 entries for rock (excluding AC/DC and Fleetwood Mac, btw what are they doing in EOY lists? It's time to go!) No Porridge Radio, No Deftones,… .

At least, They put Paul McCartney. Paul is different, He should be on all the EOY lists.
Why do you hate Latin music?
It all started when I heard "Despacito". I think Latin music is overrated nowadays.
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(Also, I wasn't a Miley fan for a while, but I really liked this new album, and based on what I've gathered about your tastes I feel like you would too. So I don't know if you're bashing her inclusion because you didn't like it or if you just have a bias against former Disney/Nick stars)
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:21 pm
panam wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:18 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:13 pm

K-pop, Latin music, Drake, Halsey, WAP (Stupid song), Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande and Selena Gomez are the reasons why I consider both lists awful. Lack of rock is also another reason I don't like them. 1 or 2 entries for rock (excluding AC/DC and Fleetwood Mac, btw what are they doing in EOY lists? It's time to go!) No Porridge Radio, No Deftones,… .

At least, They put Paul McCartney. Paul is different, He should be on all the EOY lists.
Why do you hate Latin music?
It all started when I heard "Despacito". I think Latin music is overrated nowadays.
Saying you dislike Latin music because of "Despacito" is like saying you dislike reggae because of "Informer." One song doesn't sum up an entire genre that spans a whole load of countries and territories. That's a song from Puerto Rico, which is different from music in Chile, Cuba, Mexico, Argentina, the Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, Colombia, Peru...
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:21 pm
panam wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:18 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:13 pm

K-pop, Latin music, Drake, Halsey, WAP (Stupid song), Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande and Selena Gomez are the reasons why I consider both lists awful. Lack of rock is also another reason I don't like them. 1 or 2 entries for rock (excluding AC/DC and Fleetwood Mac, btw what are they doing in EOY lists? It's time to go!) No Porridge Radio, No Deftones,… .

At least, They put Paul McCartney. Paul is different, He should be on all the EOY lists.
Why do you hate Latin music?
It all started when I heard "Despacito". I think Latin music is overrated nowadays.
As a Latin American that loves Latin Music I think you're opinion is based only in the mainstream media. There are to many good things beyond Despacito.
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The Rolling Stone albums list is honestly better than I expected. I didn't even know that Four Tet released an album this year. I think that RS is getting a little better in the album category with each passing year. I don't think folklore is the album of the year, but it's not a bad choice (and certainly not an uncommon one) and after that there are some really great choices in the Top 50.
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StevieFan13 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:20 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:13 pm
StevieFan13 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:27 pm

I dunno. I think it's a pretty great list! All stuff I like or can appreciate acknowledging. But to each their own!
K-pop, Latin music, Drake, Halsey, WAP (Stupid song), Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande and Selena Gomez are the reasons why I consider both lists awful. Lack of rock is also another reason I don't like them. 1 or 2 entries for rock (excluding AC/DC and Fleetwood Mac, btw what are they doing in EOY lists? It's time to go!) No Porridge Radio, No Deftones,… .

At least, They put Paul McCartney. Paul is different, He should be on all the EOY lists.
Feel like you're limiting yourself quite a bit. There's a lot of good to be found in all the artists and genres you mentioned. Not everything has to be rock, y'know. I get mixed signals by you both decrying modern pop music while also questioning the inclusion of AC/DC. Gotta be careful or (and I say this with nothing but love) you'll start sounding like Hymie.
Actually I am not limiting myself. My playlist is full of Rap and Pop. OutKast, Eminem, Public Enemy, I enjoy listening to them. I even like John Cena's rap songs!! I also enjoy listening to Adele, Lorde and Madonna. Music used to be more passionate and beautiful. I was thinking about the last great rock band and My answer was Arctic Monkeys! I think I should stop comparing new stuff to old stuff. The truth is we will never hear a song as good as Smells Like Teen Spirit ever again. I am glad that you guys like modern music but I just can't like them.

I am not a fan of AC/DC, Steviefan.
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:47 pm The truth is we will never hear a song as good as Smells Like Teen Spirit ever again.
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panam wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:24 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:21 pm
panam wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:18 pm

Why do you hate Latin music?
It all started when I heard "Despacito". I think Latin music is overrated nowadays.
As a Latin American that loves Latin Music I think you're opinion is based only in the mainstream media. There are to many good things beyond Despacito.
I like "Rhythm Divide" and "Bailamos" by Enrique Iglesias. I don't know if you like them.
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BleuPanda wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:49 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:47 pm The truth is we will never hear a song as good as Smells Like Teen Spirit ever again.
lol
Will we?
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:51 pm
BleuPanda wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:49 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:47 pm The truth is we will never hear a song as good as Smells Like Teen Spirit ever again.
lol
Will we?
I could easily name a hundred songs I like more than Smells Like Teen Spirit released since it came out; I'm not even sure I consider it the best song on Nevermind anymore.
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In my humble opinion, music peaked with "We Are Number One".
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BleuPanda wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:54 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:51 pm
BleuPanda wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:49 pm

lol
Will we?
I could easily name a hundred songs I like more than Smells Like Teen Spirit released since it came out; I'm not even sure I consider it the best song on Nevermind anymore.
I'd have to definitely agree with BleuPanda. I think that the only good attitude to have towards music is the idea that the best album of all time could drop tomorrow, and that religating oneself to the idea that music peaked in 1991 is very reductive. Hell, this year we saw an album come out that may be the best album in over 15 years! SLTS is a great song and all, but the idea that it will never be topped is an attitude that only stops the one who has it from finding new music. Also Lithium is 100% the best song on Nevermind.
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BleuPanda wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:54 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:51 pm
BleuPanda wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:49 pm

lol
Will we?
I could easily name a hundred songs I like more than Smells Like Teen Spirit released since it came out; I'm not even sure I consider it the best song on Nevermind anymore.
Could you tell me the name of those songs? I am curious to know.

I sometimes think CAYA is better than SLTS but I change my mind immediately after listening to Smells Like Teen Spirit again.
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Sweepstakes Ron wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:57 pm In my humble opinion, music peaked with "We Are Number One".
Nah, man. It was all downhill after "Mans Not Hot."
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:00 pm
BleuPanda wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:54 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:51 pm

Will we?
I could easily name a hundred songs I like more than Smells Like Teen Spirit released since it came out; I'm not even sure I consider it the best song on Nevermind anymore.
Could you tell me the name of those songs? I am curious to know.

I sometimes think CAYA is better than SLTS but I change my mind immediately after listening to Smells Like Teen Spirit again.
Both are great, but I'd pick "All Apologies" over either of them.
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:00 pm
BleuPanda wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:54 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:51 pm

Will we?
I could easily name a hundred songs I like more than Smells Like Teen Spirit released since it came out; I'm not even sure I consider it the best song on Nevermind anymore.
Could you tell me the name of those songs? I am curious to know.

I sometimes think CAYA is better than SLTS but I change my mind immediately after listening to Smells Like Teen Spirit again.
I'm not going to derail this thread further; I think our next songs of all time poll is next year, so I'll be posting it then if you really want to know (but my favorite song, All My Friends, is from 2007).

But like Holden said, "Lithium" is at least comparable, and that's the same album. "All Apologies" also competes for my top Nirvana spot - and none of those cracked my most recent top 200.

Which, none of this discussion has anything to do with the Rolling Stone list, but neither does "Dreams" have anything to do with the best songs of 2020.
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Holden wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:59 pm
BleuPanda wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:54 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:51 pm

Will we?
I could easily name a hundred songs I like more than Smells Like Teen Spirit released since it came out; I'm not even sure I consider it the best song on Nevermind anymore.
I'd have to definitely agree with BleuPanda. I think that the only good attitude to have towards music is the idea that the best album of all time could drop tomorrow, and that religating oneself to the idea that music peaked in 1991 is very reductive. Hell, this year we saw an album come out that may be the best album in over 15 years! SLTS is a great song and all, but the idea that it will never be topped is an attitude that only stops the one who has it from finding new music. Also Lithium is 100% the best song on Nevermind.
Lithium is a fantastic song.

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BleuPanda wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:06 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:00 pm
BleuPanda wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:54 pm

I could easily name a hundred songs I like more than Smells Like Teen Spirit released since it came out; I'm not even sure I consider it the best song on Nevermind anymore.
Could you tell me the name of those songs? I am curious to know.

I sometimes think CAYA is better than SLTS but I change my mind immediately after listening to Smells Like Teen Spirit again.
I'm not going to derail this thread further; I think our next songs of all time poll is next year, so I'll be posting it then if you really want to know (but my favorite song, All My Friends, is from 2007).

But like Holden said, "Lithium" is at least comparable, and that's the same album. "All Apologies" also competes for my top Nirvana spot - and none of those cracked my most recent top 200.

Which, none of this discussion has anything to do with the Rolling Stone list, but neither does "Dreams" have anything to do with the best songs of 2020.
Let's continue talking about Nirvana. It's more interesting.
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:21 pm
panam wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:18 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:13 pm

K-pop, Latin music, Drake, Halsey, WAP (Stupid song), Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande and Selena Gomez are the reasons why I consider both lists awful. Lack of rock is also another reason I don't like them. 1 or 2 entries for rock (excluding AC/DC and Fleetwood Mac, btw what are they doing in EOY lists? It's time to go!) No Porridge Radio, No Deftones,… .

At least, They put Paul McCartney. Paul is different, He should be on all the EOY lists.
Why do you hate Latin music?
It all started when I heard "Despacito". I think Latin music is overrated nowadays.
this take is so bad its just funny.
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fabrizioalbertini wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:18 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:21 pm
panam wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:18 pm

Why do you hate Latin music?
It all started when I heard "Despacito". I think Latin music is overrated nowadays.
this take is so bad its just funny.
I know, lol. In fact, I just listened to the 100 most popular Latin songs and guess what? I still don't like it. They basically sound the same as another in my point of view, maybe I am wrong. Don't hate me guys but I just don't like Latin music.
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:30 pm
fabrizioalbertini wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:18 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:21 pm

It all started when I heard "Despacito". I think Latin music is overrated nowadays.
this take is so bad its just funny.

I know, lol. In fact, I just listened to the 100 most popular Latin songs and guess what? I still don't like it. They basically sound the same as another in my point of view, maybe I am wrong. Don't hate me guys but I just don't like Latin music.
You just hate reggaeton and some Latin pop. Latin music includes much more genres and variety.
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:30 pm
fabrizioalbertini wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:18 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:21 pm

It all started when I heard "Despacito". I think Latin music is overrated nowadays.
this take is so bad its just funny.
I know, lol. In fact, I just listened to the 100 most popular Latin songs and guess what? I still don't like it. They basically sound the same as another in my point of view, maybe I am wrong. Don't hate me guys but I just don't like Latin music.
Yes. you are wrong.
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JohnnyBGoode wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:55 pm 22. Caribou, 'You and I'
That song should have appeared in more lists !
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Something funny I noticed on these US-American lists:

It's only American and British songs, with a few K-Pop tracks, but only if they feature or were written/produced by American or British artists.
This is the USA telling the rest of the world: "Once again, the 50 best songs of the year were American or British productions. We really are the best in the field of music." :D
And then they go on to say that nationalism is bad...
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Schüttelbirne wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:43 pm Something funny I noticed on these US-American lists:

It's only American and British songs, with a few K-Pop tracks, but only if they feature or were written/produced by American or British artists.
This is the USA telling the rest of the world: "Once again, the 50 best songs of the year were American or British productions. We really are the best in the field of music." :D
And then they go on to say that nationalism is bad...
Albums/songs from Latin America are now also on most critics' lists (not to mention artists from Australia, Canada, and New Zealand, though I assume those countries were implicitly included in "American or British"). But overall your point is valid. The thing that interests me is that the critics from continental Europe typically have very similar taste to US/UK critics, often just slipping in a couple of entries from their home country in an otherwise English-dominated list. Spotify "top played" lists from many other countries contain lots of English language songs at the top. So it's more than "nationalism" that accounts for this.
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Schüttelbirne wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:43 pm Something funny I noticed on these US-American lists:

It's only American and British songs, with a few K-Pop tracks, but only if they feature or were written/produced by American or British artists.
This is the USA telling the rest of the world: "Once again, the 50 best songs of the year were American or British productions. We really are the best in the field of music." :D
And then they go on to say that nationalism is bad...
They also include Puerto Rico and Latin diaspora. Latin American artists based at South of the Border rarely are mentioned.
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StevieFan13 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:20 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:13 pm
StevieFan13 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:27 pm

I dunno. I think it's a pretty great list! All stuff I like or can appreciate acknowledging. But to each their own!
K-pop, Latin music, Drake, Halsey, WAP (Stupid song), Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande and Selena Gomez are the reasons why I consider both lists awful. Lack of rock is also another reason I don't like them. 1 or 2 entries for rock (excluding AC/DC and Fleetwood Mac, btw what are they doing in EOY lists? It's time to go!) No Porridge Radio, No Deftones,… .

At least, They put Paul McCartney. Paul is different, He should be on all the EOY lists.
Feel like you're limiting yourself quite a bit. There's a lot of good to be found in all the artists and genres you mentioned. Not everything has to be rock, y'know. I get mixed signals by you both decrying modern pop music while also questioning the inclusion of AC/DC. Gotta be careful or (and I say this with nothing but love) you'll start sounding like Hymie.
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Hymie do you want to make a statement before the decision of the supreme court ?
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Their K-pop selections are terrible because they could have picked two musically superior cuts from those two artists: "UGH!" by BTS and perhaps "How You Like That?" by BLACKPINK

As for the others, I do love the diversity displayed here: "Murphy's Law" by Roisin Murphy is certainly excellent and so are "If You’re Too Shy (Let Me Know)" by The 1975 and "You and I" by Caribou. And hooray for the inclusion of Four Tet and Moodymann
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Vacantjoy wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:35 am Hymie do you want to make a statement before the decision of the supreme court ?
He’s gotta deliver it, like all his other posts, via homing pigeon.
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Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:13 pm
StevieFan13 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:27 pm
Arsalan wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:40 pm It is really hard to make an awful list. Congratulations RS! You did it, AGAIN!
I dunno. I think it's a pretty great list! All stuff I like or can appreciate acknowledging. But to each their own!
1 or 2 entries for rock (excluding AC/DC and Fleetwood Mac, btw what are they doing in EOY lists? It's time to go!) No Porridge Radio, No Deftones,… .
Porridge Radio's Sweet is definitely top 10 in my book, and a sad omission for sure. I was also expecting Deftones to show up.

But I feel like 2020 overall was not too kind on rock music. We did get some records early in the year, but as the pandemic happened, it became harder for bands to meet and practice, let alone the logistics of having all these people in a studio. And I can see that trend continue at least until a few months after Covid is completely gone. Unlike hip-hop, electronic music or even pop, rock can't really be done on a laptop. Some bands have tried it for years, bouncing files online where everyone records their parts at home, but it never sounds as good as a band locking in, in the studio.

Personally, I'm looking at my own list right now and it is at an all-time low for rock records. :(
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