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What we should after 50s poll

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a) 1940s of course. Same rules.
2
13%
b) 1940s, 1930s and 1920s at the same time (three years in one month, 150 finalists in all).
8
53%
c) 2000s (it's time to move back to future to the decades where more forumers have seen tens of movies per year)
2
13%
d) Options a and c at the same time (different polls)
2
13%
e) Options b and c at the same time (different polls)
1
7%
f) Something else. (Specify in the thread).
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Because the tiebreaker-poll was success I decided open an another poll about a case we should make a decision. So should we continue the film polls sameway we have done them since 2000s or speed up by bringing together 40s, 30s and 20s (mostly because there are fewer and fewer people who have seen a lot of movies from older years) or just forget those critically most acclaimed years and start again from 2000s?
The poll is open till the end of the month.
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About option B). I should specify that we avoid misunderstanding. "1940s, 1930s and 1920s at the same time" means that in first month of the poll (probably in November or December) we vote for best movies from 1920-1922 (or 1949-1947) in one poll. 15 movies go to the final. And so on...
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I prefer option B. But maybe there could be a difference between 20s and 40s films. Every 4 years in twenties, every 3 years in 30s and every 2 years in 40s, or something. Preferably staggered like this, because my hunch is that people have seen more films from the 40 than from the 20s. Variety is (generally) also bigger in later decades.
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I voted for option B, but I also want to suggest doing a 2010s so far poll. It would take half the time and this would be the best time to do something like this.

As for option B, the first month should include everything before 1920. No reason to leave out the early years of cinema, but also no reason to give it too much space.

Though if we do something like option B, I think we should implement Henrik's recent suggestion for decade polls. Take the top X of each month, and then add the Y movies that received the most votes outside group X. Cinema in the early years was inconsistent, and there's no reason for 1921 to have as much representation as 1941.
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2010s is a good idea BluePanda, but preferably not starting before july 2015, so there is enough time for people to see the newest films. Although starting with 2010 in february or march would be fine if we did a month for each year.
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That was basically my idea. Because, what is the schedule right now?

October: everyone sends in final ranking for 1950s
November: final 1950s rankings revealed
December: discussion and suggestions for the next decade poll

If we did 2010s, it would go like this:
January: 2010
February: 2011
March: 2012
April: 2013
May: 2014

So maybe another month or two would be needed in between. I don't know how long it takes for films to be released in other countries, but the major releases of 2014 should all be available on video by May in America.
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Gillingham wrote:I prefer option B. But maybe there could be a difference between 20s and 40s films. Every 4 years in twenties, every 3 years in 30s and every 2 years in 40s, or something. Preferably staggered like this, because my hunch is that people have seen more films from the 40 than from the 20s. Variety is (generally) also bigger in later decades.
I might adjust that to have 1920-1924 collapsed into one and then have the rest equal. 1925-1929 is the period where all the silent era greats other than Griffith started releasing the majority of their best features.

Here's a breakdown of films in TSPDT per five years:
1920-1924: 17
1925-1929: 33
1930-1934: 42
1935-1939: 47
1940-1944: 43
1945-1949: 50

Late 20s is less represented than 30s and 40s but by a much smaller degree as early 20s.

I propose this:
Month 1: pre-1920
Month 2: 1920-1925
Months 3-10: Now we have 24 years to break into 8 equal parts
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Two questions:

1. Would it be alright if I made a separate poll asking people about their interest in a 2010s halfway poll?

2. After we finishes up the 20s, 30s, 40s, and hopefully 2010s poll, are we going to do something big? I suggest we take the top 15 from each decade and make one final top 100 of all time list.
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BleuPanda wrote:Two questions:

1. Would it be alright if I made a separate poll asking people about their interest in a 2010s halfway poll?

2. After we finishes up the 20s, 30s, 40s, and hopefully 2010s poll, are we going to do something big? I suggest we take the top 15 from each decade and make one final top 100 of all time list.
Wouldn't it be more sensible to conduct a proper Top 100 poll, with users actually submitting their own personal lists and not being restricted to the available choices? ;)
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Either option works for me. I just figured since we had the data, we might as well use it as a closer for the first cycle, but basing it off personal lists would be more accurate. At the same time, limiting it to these results means everyone's voting from the same pool of movies, limiting the amount of issues caused by a film being underwatched.

If we do end up doing an overall top 100 poll based on personal lists, should we wait for the first cycle to end or just do it whenever?
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At one point we were thinking of taking the top finishers in the decade polls and sticking them into an elimination bracket. We can still do that, and we can do it simultaneously with a 2010s poll.
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Jirin wrote:At one point we were thinking of taking the top finishers in the decade polls and sticking them into an elimination bracket. We can still do that, and we can do it simultaneously with a 2010s poll.
I like this idea. We have already done a couple usual top 100 polls, haven't we?
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Jirin wrote: I propose this:
Month 1: pre-1920
Month 2: 1920-1925
Months 3-10: Now we have 24 years to break into 8 equal parts
It looks like option B is going to win. I think Jirin's schedule looks great (although 15 movies from pre-1920 means that we're going to have a lot of short films in the top 150 (maybe even stuff like L'Arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat (1896) which is very hard to compare to Citizen Kane or City Lights.)
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Jirin wrote:At one point we were thinking of taking the top finishers in the decade polls and sticking them into an elimination bracket. We can still do that, and we can do it simultaneously with a 2010s poll.
I like this idea. We have already done a couple usual top 100 polls, haven't we?


Yeah I think we should to that (and yeah there was a straight alltime poll only couble of years ago hosted by me and couble of years before that by netjade. (I'm not against alltime-poll if someone want to host it)). If we decide to do the bracketology right after 50s poll, what about game with 144 movies (top 24 from each decade (1950s-2000s)). Then there would be brackets of three (it's more plausible that one have seen three than four movies -> more people can vote for). The game would go 144 -> 48 -> 16 ((brackets of four) -> 4 -> 1. Or we can wait and take pre-1950 poll and maybe even early 2010s to the game. In that case 256 first round candidates wouldn't be too much I think (or maybe top 128 (with top 2 -> round 2)).
Gillingham wrote:2010s is a good idea BluePanda, but preferably not starting before july 2015, so there is enough time for people to see the newest films. Although starting with 2010 in february or march would be fine if we did a month for each year.
2010s is definiteley a good idea (and could be held in at the same time than pre-1950s polls) but I think we shouldn't start before summer 2015. (There's still a lot of 2013 movies I haven't have chance to see (many Asian films but also European and American ones) (I have seen about 60 movies from 2013 but more than 100 movies from 2010.) If we do a 2014 poll in May 2015 I think I'm not the only one who hasn't seen most of the newests must see movies.

By the way who is going to host the pre-1950s poll?
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I could host if no one else wants to. It would start December 1st, right?
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I saw so many movies in 2010-2013 but this year I've pretty much only seen Boyhood. Definitely need to catch up on 2014 films.
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BleuPanda wrote:I could host if no one else wants to. It would start December 1st, right?
I think it could start in the first week of November. Releasing the final results takes only couble of days. 2-4 days depending how fast forumers want to them be released. If everyone sends the right excel-sheet, everything concerning the results is automatic (just copy-paste the submitted lists to the master-excel) and all the hard work (picking the pictures, designing the outfit...) can be done during October.

And thanks for volunteering BleuPanda. Should we start with pre-1920s or 1947-1949?
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Petri wrote:15 movies go to the final.
Why 15 instead of 10?
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If you want to do it in ten parts, this is one possibility:
Before 1925
25-29
30-33
34-36
37-39
40-41
42-43
44-45
46-47
48-49
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Henrik wrote:
Petri wrote:15 movies go to the final.
Why 15 instead of 10?
We have 30 years (+ pre 1920s) of cinema instead of 10 years so 150 movies sounds fair to me.

Here's two alternative possibilities to divide those 30+x years to ten parts.

-1919
1920-1924 (5 years)
1925-1928 (4 years)
and then 7 parts with 3 years.

Or
-1919
1920-1923 (4 years)
1924-1927 (4 years)
1928-1931 (4 years)
and then 6 parts with 3 years.

I think we should do this in reversible order (starting with late 40s).
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I was thinking:
-1920
1921-1925
And then 8 parts with 3 years. I feel 1920 being mixed in with -1919 would give it a slight boost, and it fits as the year with Griffith's last big film.
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bonnielaurel wrote:If you want to do it in ten parts, this is one possibility:
Before 1925
25-29
30-33
34-36
37-39
40-41
42-43
44-45
46-47
48-49
I support this one.
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That bonnielaurel suggestion sounds good to me as well, even though I will only be able to vote for 1 or 2 films in some of those periods.
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I think we're selling silent cinema short if we make 1925-1929 into a single block.
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Stephan wrote:That bonnielaurel suggestion sounds good to me as well, even though I will only be able to vote for 1 or 2 films in some of those periods.
Me too, but I don't think it makes a lot of sense to vote for one or two films. That way it becomes a 'what-have-we-seen' fest in stead of a greatest of... I'll see...
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Gillingham wrote:
Stephan wrote:That bonnielaurel suggestion sounds good to me as well, even though I will only be able to vote for 1 or 2 films in some of those periods.
Me too, but I don't think it makes a lot of sense to vote for one or two films. That way it becomes a 'what-have-we-seen' fest in stead of a greatest of... I'll see...
Looks like bonnielaurel's suggestion is going to win. Have anyone else an opinion in which order we take those polls? I still prefer the option "the late 1940s first".
Jirin wrote:I think we're selling silent cinema short if we make 1925-1929 into a single block.
I think short-films like Un chien andalou and Ménilmontant still have chance to make the final (although I checked the movies from 1925-1929 I have seen and it seems that for example Un chien andalou or Gold Rush won't be in my top 15 (there are so many great movies)).

I think -1924 in a single block will be more harmful to short-films. On the other hand I find it very difficult to vote for short-films by Chaplin, Keaton, LLoyd, Laurel & Hardy, Disney animations, Looney Tunes no matter how great some of them are (not to mention some imporatant early actualities). It's like voting for The Simpsons episodes. So in a way I can sustain this kind of deal that will harm short-films above. So if it means more people can participate I think bonnielaurel's suggestion is fine.
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BleuPanda wrote:Two questions:

1. Would it be alright if I made a separate poll asking people about their interest in a 2010s halfway poll?

2. After we finishes up the 20s, 30s, 40s, and hopefully 2010s poll, are we going to do something big? I suggest we take the top 15 from each decade and make one final top 100 of all time list.
I kind of want that 15 to be bumped up to a 20. Looking at not only the 50s results, but all of the other decade results, I think expanding that net to an extra 5 for each poll would be nicer, and more varied. But that is just my suggestion.
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