Rating changes (Allmusic, Scaruffi, etc.)
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AllMusic:
Tame Impala Innerspeaker > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/innerspe ... 0001990920
Christgau:
T.I. King > CHOICE CUT
Tame Impala Currents > **
Taylor, Cecil Silent Tongues > B
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=4790
Scaruffi:
Talabot, John fIN > 5
Tame Impala Innerspeaker > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/innerspe ... 0001990920
Christgau:
T.I. King > CHOICE CUT
Tame Impala Currents > **
Taylor, Cecil Silent Tongues > B
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=4790
Scaruffi:
Talabot, John fIN > 5
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Teenage Fanclub Grand Prix & Thirteen are both 5.5 on Scaruffi
Downgraded to 5.5 for Man-Made
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol6/teenage.html
Downgraded to 5.5 for Man-Made
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol6/teenage.html
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AllMusic:
Tellier, Sébastien Sexuality > 3
https://www.allmusic.com/album/sexuality-mw0000808342
Thee Oh Sees Mutilator Defeated At Last > 4.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/mutilato ... 0002841259
Christgau:
Tegan and Sara Heartthrob > *
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=5095
Tempest, Kate Everybody Down > A
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=7186
Tellier, Sébastien Sexuality > 3
https://www.allmusic.com/album/sexuality-mw0000808342
Thee Oh Sees Mutilator Defeated At Last > 4.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/mutilato ... 0002841259
Christgau:
Tegan and Sara Heartthrob > *
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=5095
Tempest, Kate Everybody Down > A
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=7186
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AllMusic:
Throbbing Gristle Second Annual Report > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/the-seco ... 0000267824
Timmons, Bobby This Here Is Bobby Timmons > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/this-her ... 0000192568
Tinariwen The Radio Tisdas Sessions > 3.5
Tinariwen Imidiwan: Companions > 3.5
https://www.allmusic.com/artist/tinariw ... iscography
Titus Andronicus The Airing of Grievances > 3.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/the-airi ... 0000797786
Scaruffi:
Thursday War All the Time > 6.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/thursday.html
Tippett, Keith Mujician > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol3/tippett.html
Titus Andronicus The Airing of Grievances > 6.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/titusand.html
Throbbing Gristle Second Annual Report > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/the-seco ... 0000267824
Timmons, Bobby This Here Is Bobby Timmons > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/this-her ... 0000192568
Tinariwen The Radio Tisdas Sessions > 3.5
Tinariwen Imidiwan: Companions > 3.5
https://www.allmusic.com/artist/tinariw ... iscography
Titus Andronicus The Airing of Grievances > 3.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/the-airi ... 0000797786
Scaruffi:
Thursday War All the Time > 6.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/thursday.html
Tippett, Keith Mujician > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol3/tippett.html
Titus Andronicus The Airing of Grievances > 6.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/titusand.html
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AllMusic:
Trentemøller The Last Resort > 4
Trentemøller The Last Resort > 4
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Christgau:
Trio Da Kali & Kronos Quartet Ladilikan > A-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=7441
tUnE-yArDs Nikki Nack > A-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=6306
Scaruffi:
Triffids, The Born Sandy Devotional > 6.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol6/triffids.html
Tundra, Max Mastered by Guy at the Exchange > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol6/tundra.html
Trio Da Kali & Kronos Quartet Ladilikan > A-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=7441
tUnE-yArDs Nikki Nack > A-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=6306
Scaruffi:
Triffids, The Born Sandy Devotional > 6.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol6/triffids.html
Tundra, Max Mastered by Guy at the Exchange > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol6/tundra.html
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AllMusic:
Twin Shadow Forget > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/artist/twin-sh ... iscography
Christgau:
TV on the Radio Seeds > A-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=5343
Scaruffi:
TV on the Radio Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes > 7
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/tvonther.html
Twilight Sad, The Fourteen Autumns and Fifteen Winters > 6.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/twilight.html
Twin Shadow Forget > 5
Twin Shadow Confess > 5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol8/twinshad.html
Tyler, the Creator Flower Boy> 5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol8/tylerthe.html
Twin Shadow Forget > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/artist/twin-sh ... iscography
Christgau:
TV on the Radio Seeds > A-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=5343
Scaruffi:
TV on the Radio Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes > 7
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/tvonther.html
Twilight Sad, The Fourteen Autumns and Fifteen Winters > 6.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/twilight.html
Twin Shadow Forget > 5
Twin Shadow Confess > 5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol8/twinshad.html
Tyler, the Creator Flower Boy> 5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol8/tylerthe.html
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AllMusic:
UFO Strangers in the Night > 4.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/stranger ... 0000194927
Scaruffi:
Unicorns, The Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone? > 5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/unicorns.html
Unwound Leaves Turn Inside You > 7
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol5/unwound.html
UFO Strangers in the Night > 4.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/stranger ... 0000194927
Scaruffi:
Unicorns, The Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone? > 5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/unicorns.html
Unwound Leaves Turn Inside You > 7
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol5/unwound.html
Re: Rating changes (Allmusic, Scaruffi, etc.) - Update 2017
AllMusic:
Immortal - All Shall Fall went from 4.5 stars to 3.5 stars. In addition it loses Album Pick to Pure Holocaust
Comparisons:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181108002 ... 0001330941
https://www.allmusic.com/album/all-shal ... 0001330941
https://web.archive.org/web/20180129080 ... 0000257199
https://www.allmusic.com/album/pure-hol ... 0000257199
Immortal - All Shall Fall went from 4.5 stars to 3.5 stars. In addition it loses Album Pick to Pure Holocaust
Comparisons:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181108002 ... 0001330941
https://www.allmusic.com/album/all-shal ... 0001330941
https://web.archive.org/web/20180129080 ... 0000257199
https://www.allmusic.com/album/pure-hol ... 0000257199
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Upgraded to 4.5 stars on AllMusic:
Priests - Nothing Feels Natural
Priests - Nothing Feels Natural
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I am sasha fierce was upgraded to 3.5 as well, but I guess that album didn't make the cut here, so that's irrelevant for this site
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Yeah, 'I Am...' is the most poorly reviewed release out of her records. So I'm not surprised it hasn't made AM's list.
These changes seem more in-line with Acclaimed Music's collated critical consensus. Based on those, AllMusic possibly could have improved their changes by also upgrading '4' to four stars. Regardless, I'm kinda glad that the editorial team decided to do this and I hope they reevaluate some other pop/R&B artists (e.g. Frank Ocean) in the near future.
These changes seem more in-line with Acclaimed Music's collated critical consensus. Based on those, AllMusic possibly could have improved their changes by also upgrading '4' to four stars. Regardless, I'm kinda glad that the editorial team decided to do this and I hope they reevaluate some other pop/R&B artists (e.g. Frank Ocean) in the near future.
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Maxwell
Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite | 9.0: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/ma ... ang-suite/
Embrya | 8.3: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/maxwell-embrya/
Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite | 9.0: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/ma ... ang-suite/
Embrya | 8.3: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/maxwell-embrya/
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What's the upgrade? it's the samekeater wrote:Maxwell
Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite | 9.0: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/ma ... ang-suite/
Embrya | 8.3: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/maxwell-embrya/
https://web.archive.org/web/20180930105 ... ang-suite/
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I wasn't aware that AM even tracked Pitchfork ratings.filmman wrote:What's the upgrade? it's the samekeater wrote:Maxwell
Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite | 9.0: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/ma ... ang-suite/
Embrya | 8.3: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/maxwell-embrya/
https://web.archive.org/web/20180930105 ... ang-suite/
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Upgraded to 3.5 stars on AllMusic:
Muse - Absolution
Muse - Absolution
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Robert Forster The Evangelist is 4 on Allmusic
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Vangelis Blade Runner is 3 on Guide du cd
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Tropicália ou Panis et Circencis is 6 on Scaruffi
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol1/veloso.html
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol1/veloso.html
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Woodstock VA is 3 on AllMusic
https://www.allmusic.com/album/woodstock-mw0000192524
https://www.allmusic.com/album/woodstock-mw0000192524
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Veloso, Caetano & Gil, Gilberto Tropicália 2 is A- on Christgau
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_art ... lberto+Gil
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_art ... lberto+Gil
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Venom Black Metal is 7 on Scaruffi
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol4/venom.html
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol4/venom.html
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Vetiver To Find Me Gone is 5.5 on Scaruffi
Violent Femmes Hallowed Ground is C+ on Christgau
Villagers Becoming a Jackal is 3.5 on AllMusic
Violent Femmes Hallowed Ground is C+ on Christgau
Villagers Becoming a Jackal is 3.5 on AllMusic
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The Goats Tricks of the Shade is 7 on Scaruffi
https://www.scaruffi.com/ratings/1992.html
https://www.scaruffi.com/ratings/1992.html
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AllMusic:
Walker, Scott Tilt > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/artist/scott-w ... iscography
Christgau:
Wainwright, Rufus Release the Stars > **
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=1194
Scaruffi:
Waits, Tom Blood Money > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol3/waits.html
Walker, Scott Bish Bosch > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol2/walker.html
Walker, Scott Tilt > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/artist/scott-w ... iscography
Christgau:
Wainwright, Rufus Release the Stars > **
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=1194
Scaruffi:
Waits, Tom Blood Money > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol3/waits.html
Walker, Scott Bish Bosch > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol2/walker.html
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AllMusic
Kamasi Washington Harmony of Difference EP > 3.5
Christgau
Waxahatchee Ivy Tripp > *
Waxahatchee Out in the Storm > A-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=7059
Weeknd, The House of Balloons > ***
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=6894
Scaruffi
Waxahatchee Cerulean Salt > 5
Waxahatchee Ivy Tripp > 6.5
Waxahatchee Out in the Storm > 5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol8/waxahatc.html
Kamasi Washington Harmony of Difference EP > 3.5
Christgau
Waxahatchee Ivy Tripp > *
Waxahatchee Out in the Storm > A-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=7059
Weeknd, The House of Balloons > ***
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=6894
Scaruffi
Waxahatchee Cerulean Salt > 5
Waxahatchee Ivy Tripp > 6.5
Waxahatchee Out in the Storm > 5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol8/waxahatc.html
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AllMusic
Wild Nothing Gemini > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/gemini-mw0002001821
Williams, John Star Wars > 4.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/star-war ... 0000881353
Christgau
West, Kanye Late Registration > A+
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=5260
White Lung Deep Fantasy > **
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=7210
White Stripes, The Elephant > A-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=4241
Wilco Star Wars > ***
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=1677
Williams Lifetime, The Tony Emergency! > A
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=4088
Williams, Lucinda Down Where the Spirit Meets the Bone > B+
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=847
Scaruffi
White Denim Workout Holiday > 7
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/whiteden.html
Wilco Wilco (The Album) > 5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol5/wilco.html
Wild Nothing Gemini > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/gemini-mw0002001821
Williams, John Star Wars > 4.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/star-war ... 0000881353
Christgau
West, Kanye Late Registration > A+
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=5260
White Lung Deep Fantasy > **
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=7210
White Stripes, The Elephant > A-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=4241
Wilco Star Wars > ***
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=1677
Williams Lifetime, The Tony Emergency! > A
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=4088
Williams, Lucinda Down Where the Spirit Meets the Bone > B+
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=847
Scaruffi
White Denim Workout Holiday > 7
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/whiteden.html
Wilco Wilco (The Album) > 5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol5/wilco.html
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AllMusic
Winter, Paul Icarus > 3.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/icarus-mw0000203015
Wishbone Ash Argus > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/argus-mw0000267493
Wolf Alice My Love is Cool > 3.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/my-love- ... 0002842642
Christgau
Wilson, Cassandra New Moon Daughter > B-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=226
Wolf Parade Apologies to the Queen Mary > CHO
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=5538
Scaruffi
Wilson, Brian SMiLE > 6.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol1/beachboy.html
Winehouse, Amy Back to Black > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/winehous.html
Wolf Eyes Human Animal > 7
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/wolfeyes.html
Wolf, Patrick Wind in the Wires > 6.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/wolf.html
Winter, Paul Icarus > 3.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/icarus-mw0000203015
Wishbone Ash Argus > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/argus-mw0000267493
Wolf Alice My Love is Cool > 3.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/my-love- ... 0002842642
Christgau
Wilson, Cassandra New Moon Daughter > B-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=226
Wolf Parade Apologies to the Queen Mary > CHO
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=5538
Scaruffi
Wilson, Brian SMiLE > 6.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol1/beachboy.html
Winehouse, Amy Back to Black > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/winehous.html
Wolf Eyes Human Animal > 7
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/wolfeyes.html
Wolf, Patrick Wind in the Wires > 6.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol7/wolf.html
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Re: Rating changes (Allmusic, Scaruffi, etc.) - Update 2017
Not sure when this happened, but the entire Nine Inch Nails discography has been shaken up at AllMusic: https://www.allmusic.com/artist/nine-in ... iscography
Pretty Hate Machine - still 5
Downward Spiral - now 5 (used to be 4)
The Fragile - now 4 (used to be 3)
And All That Could Have Been - now 3.5 (used to be 2.5)
With Teeth - now 3.5 (used to be 3)
Year Zero - now 3.5 (used to be 4.5)
Ghosts I-IV - now 2 (used to be 2.5)
The Slip - now 3 (used to be 4)
Hesitation Marks - now 3.5 (used to be 4.5)
Bad Witch - still 3.5
Thrilled that Downward Spiral has finally gotten the five-star treatment. It's only #165 on the AM list for crying out loud.
Have gotten a lot more into Ghosts I-IV since watching Ken Burns' Vietnam War documentary series, which uses most of the songs on the soundtrack to really cathartic effect. Couldn't get into the album before, but now I find it to be an absorbing listen.
Hesitation Marks was really good -- much better than Fragile, With Teeth, or Year Zero. Kind of baffled by the downgrade.
Pretty Hate Machine - still 5
Downward Spiral - now 5 (used to be 4)
The Fragile - now 4 (used to be 3)
And All That Could Have Been - now 3.5 (used to be 2.5)
With Teeth - now 3.5 (used to be 3)
Year Zero - now 3.5 (used to be 4.5)
Ghosts I-IV - now 2 (used to be 2.5)
The Slip - now 3 (used to be 4)
Hesitation Marks - now 3.5 (used to be 4.5)
Bad Witch - still 3.5
Thrilled that Downward Spiral has finally gotten the five-star treatment. It's only #165 on the AM list for crying out loud.
Have gotten a lot more into Ghosts I-IV since watching Ken Burns' Vietnam War documentary series, which uses most of the songs on the soundtrack to really cathartic effect. Couldn't get into the album before, but now I find it to be an absorbing listen.
Hesitation Marks was really good -- much better than Fragile, With Teeth, or Year Zero. Kind of baffled by the downgrade.
Re: Rating changes (Allmusic, Scaruffi, etc.) - Update 2017
Happy for 'The Downward Spiral' fans. Music critics from around Illinois and Michigan (like those at AllMusic and Pitchfork) use to seem weary of the record. It's good to see them finally coming around to it. Their new reviews/ratings of 'The Fragile' suggest that they are also finally warming up to that record too, after initially giving it a cold reception.
It looks like the new ratings were put in place at the beginning of the month. While an overview of all those ratings makes them look more homogenised, they are probably closer now to the general consensus on NIN's oeuvre, with a few exceptions: Comparitively, 'Ghosts I-IV' probably should have been rated at a 3.0 and 'The Slip' would make more sense being rated at 3.5.
It looks like the new ratings were put in place at the beginning of the month. While an overview of all those ratings makes them look more homogenised, they are probably closer now to the general consensus on NIN's oeuvre, with a few exceptions: Comparitively, 'Ghosts I-IV' probably should have been rated at a 3.0 and 'The Slip' would make more sense being rated at 3.5.
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Yeah, can't disagree with any of that. "Weary" is a pretty apt word for describing attitudes toward Downward Spiral -- I think a lot of that has to do with AMG's initial growth years being during NIN's apex.Matski wrote:Happy for 'Downward Spiral' fans. Music critics from around Illinois and Michigan (like those at AllMusic and Pitchfork) often came across as being weary of the record. It's good to see them finally coming around to it. They also seem to be softening up to 'The Fragile' too.
It looks like the new ratings were put in place at the beginning of the month. While an overview of all those ratings makes them look more homogenised, they are probably closer now to the general consensus on NIN's oeuvre, with a few exceptions: Comparitively, 'Ghosts I-IV' probably should have been rated at a 3.0 and 'The Slip' would make more sense being rated at 3.5.
A lot of the pop/rock team like Erlewine and Huey graduated from college (Michigan and Michigan State, respectively) and started at AMG in the mid-'90s during that period of NIN dominance. I think at AMG they have always liked/respected Downward Spiral just fine but have resented having had to review so many NIN imitators in the second half of the '90s.
For example, this comment from Erlewine's review of Creed's Human Clay (https://www.allmusic.com/album/human-clay-mw0000245596) has always stood out to me: "...especially in the late '90s, an era when most popular hard rock is either rap-rock, industrial-tinged, or plain out thuggish (at times, of course, it's all three)."
Always thought the review for The Fragile was a tad harsh. The 5 stars to 4 stars to 3 stars trajectory for Pretty Hate Machine to Downward Spiral to Fragile always was too steep. Glad that has been corrected, especially since it was pretty ridiculous for Year Zero and Hesitation Marks to be at 4.5 while The Downward Spiral was only at 4.
Still think Hesitation Marks should be at 4 or higher though.
Re: Rating changes (Allmusic, Scaruffi, etc.) - Update 2017
Oh, I wouldn't say they hated the album but critics that populate those publications usually seemed to place PHM as the band's masterpiece and TDS as a mere 4-star record, whereas the concensus with most NIN fans (at least from the one's I've known) is that TDS is the masterpiece and PHM is merely a very-good precursor.
Likewise, while those same reviewers use to consider 'The Fragile' an overwrought, pretentious mess of an album, the opinion I got from a lot of NIN fans is that it's often their second/third favourite.
As for 'Hesitation Marks', I do enjoy that album. I have often found myself unable to get 'Copy of A', 'Came Back Haunted', 'Everything', or 'Satellite' out of my head. It's a catchy and accessible record and I don't mind that it lacks the grittiness or ability-to-surprise in the way most fans do. Yet, catchiness and accessibility aren't the reasons that many fans listen to NIN. So I can understand why it isn't generally held in high regard.
Likewise, while those same reviewers use to consider 'The Fragile' an overwrought, pretentious mess of an album, the opinion I got from a lot of NIN fans is that it's often their second/third favourite.
As for 'Hesitation Marks', I do enjoy that album. I have often found myself unable to get 'Copy of A', 'Came Back Haunted', 'Everything', or 'Satellite' out of my head. It's a catchy and accessible record and I don't mind that it lacks the grittiness or ability-to-surprise in the way most fans do. Yet, catchiness and accessibility aren't the reasons that many fans listen to NIN. So I can understand why it isn't generally held in high regard.
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Re: Rating changes (Allmusic, Scaruffi, etc.) - Update 2017
I don’t get Allmusic. Veronica Falls 5 Stars yet ZERO 5 star review albums for a single Kate Bush album obviously with Hounds of Love at the forefront? I like Veronica Falls and all, in fact “Stephen” is one of my favorite songs but to have them achieve a their biggest feat over a masterpiece like Hounds of Love? I’ll give you her half assed Whole Story comp was a travesty, in fact I thought they were generous giving the review they did especially being that they’re known for being very super picky when it comes to compilations (one particular writer will go off on a compilation just for something as simple as it NOT being in chronological order). Just weird especially seeing all the bands and artists she had such an influence on getting 5 STAR ratings over her (Björk, PJ Harvey, The Knife, Tori Amos’ “Little Earthquakes”) some well deserved but who’s more deserving than Kate herself?
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There are many older, influential British musicians who are yet to be awarded a five-star studio album, despite gaining more acclaim than Veronica Falls : The Cure, The Fall, New Order, Prefab Sprout, Siouxsie and the Banshees... we could go on.
I love Veronica Falls' debut album. It ended up on my AOY list in 2011. Yet it will probably remain only a minor cult-hit amongst twee-pop fans. The only way to justify selecting it over those older acts is because AMG's editorial team wanted to choose an indie-rock album from the early 2010s. Even then, albums like 'Teen Dream' or 'The Idler Wheel...' are more widely acclaimed and regularly talked about.
This isn't the first time that AMG have made bizzare five-star choices. The Kill's 'Midnight Boom' also received some flak on the older forum when it was upgraded. Don't be surprised if AMG keep upgrading the odd record that is rarely hyped ouside their own publication.
I love Veronica Falls' debut album. It ended up on my AOY list in 2011. Yet it will probably remain only a minor cult-hit amongst twee-pop fans. The only way to justify selecting it over those older acts is because AMG's editorial team wanted to choose an indie-rock album from the early 2010s. Even then, albums like 'Teen Dream' or 'The Idler Wheel...' are more widely acclaimed and regularly talked about.
This isn't the first time that AMG have made bizzare five-star choices. The Kill's 'Midnight Boom' also received some flak on the older forum when it was upgraded. Don't be surprised if AMG keep upgrading the odd record that is rarely hyped ouside their own publication.
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Re: Rating changes (Allmusic, Scaruffi, etc.) - Update 2017
Having just listened to all my 1985 albums over and over for the past month, I've got to agree: Hounds Of Love should be a no-brainer 5 star selection. It's her best, it's incredibly influential (I like Little Earthquakes even more, but give credit where it's due!), and it's almost certainly the best album of its year. Small praise, given how weak that year was, but still - I've long been mystified by AMG's view of her catalog, and I don't even consider myself a Kate Bush fan. What gives?
At least most of those other artists listed have amg 5 star compilations.
At least most of those other artists listed have amg 5 star compilations.
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Re: Rating changes (Allmusic, Scaruffi, etc.) - Update 2017
** On ChristgauShakermaker wrote:Upgraded to 4.5 stars on AllMusic:
Priests - Nothing Feels Natural
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AllMusic:
Yardbirds, The The Yardbirds/Over Under Sideways Down/Roger the Engineer > 4.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/roger-th ... 0000192532
https://www.allmusic.com/album/over-und ... 0001956169
YG My Krazy Life > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/my-krazy ... 0002591634
Christgau:
xx, The I See You > B+
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=6307
Young Fathers Dead > A-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=7076
Young Gods, The The Young Gods > CHOICE CUT
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=4144
SCaruffi:
Yes Tales from Topographic Oceans > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol2/yes.html
Yo La Tengo Fakebook > 4.5
Yo La Tengo Popular Songs > 5.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol5/yolateng.html
Yardbirds, The The Yardbirds/Over Under Sideways Down/Roger the Engineer > 4.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/roger-th ... 0000192532
https://www.allmusic.com/album/over-und ... 0001956169
YG My Krazy Life > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/my-krazy ... 0002591634
Christgau:
xx, The I See You > B+
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=6307
Young Fathers Dead > A-
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=7076
Young Gods, The The Young Gods > CHOICE CUT
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=4144
SCaruffi:
Yes Tales from Topographic Oceans > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol2/yes.html
Yo La Tengo Fakebook > 4.5
Yo La Tengo Popular Songs > 5.5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol5/yolateng.html
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Christgau:
Young Thug Barter 6 > **
Young Thug Beautiful Thugger Girls > *
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=7126
Scaruffi:
Young, Neil Le Noise > 5
Young, Neil Greendale > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol2/young.html
Young Thug Barter 6 > **
Young Thug Beautiful Thugger Girls > *
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=7126
Scaruffi:
Young, Neil Le Noise > 5
Young, Neil Greendale > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol2/young.html
Re: Rating changes (Allmusic, Scaruffi, etc.) - Update 2017
Silversun Pickups - Carnavas has been downgraded to 3.5 stars on AllMusic.
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Scaruffi:
Zappa, Frank You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore, Vol. 2: The Helsinki Concert > 5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol1/zappa.html
Guide du cd:
Zappa, Frank & Ensemble Modern The Yellow Shark > 3
Zappa, Frank You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore, Vol. 2: The Helsinki Concert > 5
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol1/zappa.html
Guide du cd:
Zappa, Frank & Ensemble Modern The Yellow Shark > 3
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Allmusic:
Zero 7 Simple Things > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/simple-t ... 0000017246
Zorn, John Spy Vs. Spy > 3.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/spy-vs-s ... 0000653640
Scaruffi:
Zomby Dedication > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol8/zomby.html
Zorn, John Kristallnacht > 7
https://www.scaruffi.com/avant/zorn.html
Zero 7 Simple Things > 4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/simple-t ... 0000017246
Zorn, John Spy Vs. Spy > 3.5
https://www.allmusic.com/album/spy-vs-s ... 0000653640
Scaruffi:
Zomby Dedication > 6
https://www.scaruffi.com/vol8/zomby.html
Zorn, John Kristallnacht > 7
https://www.scaruffi.com/avant/zorn.html
Re: Rating changes (Allmusic, Scaruffi, etc.) - Update 2017
Kaiser Chiefs - Employment has been upgraded to 4.0 stars on AllMusic.
They have also upgraded Born Sandy Devotional by The Triffids to 5.0 stars.
They have also upgraded Born Sandy Devotional by The Triffids to 5.0 stars.
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Here’s some allmusic ratings changes for The Cranberries some good some bad.
The Cranberries
No Need To Argue has been downgraded from 4.5 to 4 stars (Why?!?!?) https://www.allmusic.com/album/no-need- ... 0000626604
To the Faithful Departed upgraded from 2 to 3.5 stars (good call!) https://www.allmusic.com/album/to-the-f ... 0001989609
Bury The Hatchet upgraded from 3 to 3.5 stars. https://www.allmusic.com/album/bury-the ... 0000000810
The Cranberries
No Need To Argue has been downgraded from 4.5 to 4 stars (Why?!?!?) https://www.allmusic.com/album/no-need- ... 0000626604
To the Faithful Departed upgraded from 2 to 3.5 stars (good call!) https://www.allmusic.com/album/to-the-f ... 0001989609
Bury The Hatchet upgraded from 3 to 3.5 stars. https://www.allmusic.com/album/bury-the ... 0000000810
Re: Rating changes (Allmusic, Scaruffi, etc.) - Update 2017
Plunge by Fever Ray has been upgraded to 4.5 stars by AllMusic.
Not sure 'No Need to Argue' ever had such a high rating. Given the tone that Ned Raggett's review conveys, it more likely had a lower rating when it was first published. In any case, it doesn't matter too much as the only Cranberries album that is acclaimed enough to currently be listed on this site's database is "Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We?"PhillyGymRat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:47 pmHere’s some allmusic ratings changes for The Cranberries some good some bad.
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It used to be 4.5 stars a few years ago. I think they should’ve never downgraded to 4. I think their sophomore album was just as good as their first one.