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by hero
Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:07 am
Forum: ALL TIME
Topic: ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE GERMANY TOP 500 ALBUMS OF ALL TIME
Replies: 15
Views: 2487

Re: ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE GERMANY TOP 500 ALBUMS OF ALL TIME

Alright, fixed. Also, it’s impossible for one list to be a million times better than another list, when neither of the lists includes more than 500 albums. Worst accusation of all times. All good, hero. ;) It's a figure of speech but you are right. It's 437 times better if we wanna be exact :D
by hero
Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:09 am
Forum: ALL TIME
Topic: ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE GERMANY TOP 500 ALBUMS OF ALL TIME
Replies: 15
Views: 2487

Re: ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE GERMANY TOP 500 ALBUMS OF ALL TIMES

A million times better than the RS 2020-list in my opinion
by hero
Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:12 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Phase 2.4
Replies: 19
Views: 9489

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Phase 2.4

TIGGER Group
Barbara Ann - The Beach Boys
Doin' Time - Lana Del Rey
Wild Is The Wind - Nina Simone
Black Is the Color of My True Love's Hair - Patty Waters

SIMBA Group
Valerie - Mark Ronson ft Amy Winehouse
Love Buzz - Nirvana
Twiggy Twiggy - Pizzicato Five
Changes - Charles Bradley
by hero
Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:50 am
Forum: ARTISTS
Topic: Laut (Germany) - The 25 Best Aretha Franklin Songs (2018)
Replies: 2
Views: 2495

Re: Laut (Germany) - The 25 Best Aretha Franklin Songs (2018)

It feels ranked, with Respect at number 1. If you look at how her songs are usually acclaimed.
by hero
Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:26 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Phase 2.3
Replies: 18
Views: 10266

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Phase 2.3

HELLO KITTY
1. Don't Know Why - Norah Jones
2. Feeling Good - Nina Simone
3. Hanging on the Telephone - Blondie
4. Black Steel (In the Hours of Chaos) - Tricky

SYLVESTER
1. It Must Be Love - Madness
2. Both Sides Now - Joni Mitchell
3. Dirty Old Town - The Pogues
4. Denis - Blondie
by hero
Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:26 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Phase 2.2
Replies: 27
Views: 14111

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Phase 2.2

FELIX Group 4. Sweet Jane - The Cowboy Junkies 1. Georgia on My Mind - Ray Charles 3, Midnight Train To Georgia - Gladys Knight & The Pips 2. Me & Bobby McGee - Janis Joplin TOM Group 4. I've Got You Under My Skin -vFrank Sinatra 1. Hallelujah - Jeff Buckley 3. Without You - Nilsson 2. Torn ...
by hero
Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:14 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 17
Replies: 26
Views: 12220

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 17

It's two different things doing a cover of a song or not writing your own material. Robbie co-wrote many of his song with Guy Chambers if I'm not mistaken, in the same way as pretty much every artist is doing right now. With that said he did do some covers which were totally pointless. For example ...
by hero
Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:32 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Phase 2
Replies: 21
Views: 13249

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Phase 2

GARFIELD Group 1. The Jimi Hendrix Experience - All Along The Watchtower 2. Aretha Franklin - Respect 3. Marvin Gaye - I Heard It Through the Grapevine 4. Sinead O'Connor - Nothing Compares 2 U All four songs are great and on a different day i could as easily turn the table upside down. But listeni...
by hero
Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:24 am
Forum: Other year spans
Topic: Uncut Magazine (UK) - The 300 Greatest Albums of the last 25 years
Replies: 5
Views: 10641

Re: Uncut Magazine (UK) - The 300 Greatest Albums of the last 25 years

Feels like a list made by grumpy old men. Some nice inclusions though.
by hero
Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:12 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Most Acclaimed Solo Artists - Kendrick Lamar
Replies: 9
Views: 4202

Re: Most Acclaimed Solo Artists - Kendrick Lamar

I think he should definitely be the highest ranked rap artist of all time for the consistency in the quality of his releases and the fact that To Pimp a Butterfly is one of the best albums of the last 20 years. Never thought that was coming when you saw in which direction Rap music was heading, auto...
by hero
Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:24 pm
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 15
Replies: 23
Views: 9794

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 15

I think Billy Joel's version of To Make You Feel My Love is the original here, since it was released before Bob Dylan's. It's a tough one. What is a cover and what is an original. The song was first recorded by Bob Dylan and he wrote it for his own album. Billy Joel covered it and released it befor...
by hero
Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:28 pm
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 15
Replies: 23
Views: 9794

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 15

I think Billy Joel's version of To Make You Feel My Love is the original here, since it was released before Bob Dylan's. It's a tough one. What is a cover and what is an original. The song was first recorded by Bob Dylan and he wrote it for his own album. Billy Joel covered it and released it befor...
by hero
Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:06 pm
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Write-ups for the AMF Top Artists 2022 Edition
Replies: 89
Views: 46319

Re: Write-ups for the AMF Top Artists 2022 Edition

I can also do

The Beach Boys
Robyn
Arctic Monkeys
by hero
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:14 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Write-ups for the AMF Top Artists 2022 Edition
Replies: 89
Views: 46319

Re: Write-ups for the AMF Top Artists 2022 Edition

I can take

Oasis
Blur
Nick Drake
The Kinks
by hero
Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:55 pm
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 14
Replies: 16
Views: 7533

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 14

Group 28 Both Sides Now - Joni Mitchell vs Judy Collins Both versions are good but I prefer the original here. I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself - Dusty Springfield vs The White Stripes In one way i'd rather listen to TWS version but at the same time, I think the original is a better song. Wh...
by hero
Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:01 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 9
Replies: 18
Views: 6523

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 9

Group 17 Nice Work If You Can Get It - Fred Astaire vs Billie Holiday with Teddy Wilson & His Orchestra Tough one, I'd usually choose Billie Holiday over Fred Astaire every day of the week. But for this specific tune I'd prefer the less jazzy version of Mr Astaire. In The Ghetto - Elvis Presley ...
by hero
Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:48 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 7
Replies: 17
Views: 5766

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 7

Group 13 Wild Is The Wind - Johnny Mathis vs Nina Simone The Nina Simone version is one of my favourite pieces with her. Fresher than the Sweetness in Water - Honeybus vs Gorky's Zygotic Minci A fun cover of an old song that wasn't a big hit to bring a new light on it. But the original is really und...
by hero
Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:38 pm
Forum: EOY 2021
Topic: 2021 EOY Song List Updates
Replies: 66
Views: 62542

Re: 2021 EOY Song List Updates

1. Japanese Breakfast - Be Sweet This being at #1 reminds me of 2014 when the SOTY was Seasons (Waiting on You) and everyone was like "well, I guess there aren't many alternatives..." (and I like both of those songs). After I made this comment I went back and checked the AM 2014 songs lis...
by hero
Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:25 am
Forum: 1960s
Topic: udiscovermusic: 100 Best 60s Songs
Replies: 3
Views: 7029

Re: udiscovermusic: 100 Best 60s Songs

Great list with Sinnerman at the top :) But I am a little allergic to lists with only one song per artist.
by hero
Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:55 am
Forum: EOY 2021
Topic: EOY 2021 - NME (UK)
Replies: 10
Views: 7235

Re: EOY 2021 - NME (UK)

I respectfully disagree. The times of a rock / indie NME are long gone. They used to be my bible and reference for anything of the sort. Now, I'm getting my new music mostly from algorithms, not magazine recommendations. Where have the Melody Maker, Q, Spin, Select, all gone ? I get what you mean a...
by hero
Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:17 pm
Forum: EOY 2021
Topic: EOY 2021 - NME (UK)
Replies: 10
Views: 7235

Re: EOY 2021 - NME (UK)

I kinda like this list. Even though I don't think both deja vu and drivers license are better than Good 4 U. You can say a lot about NME but at least they are the only ones still interested in the rock genres and little bit more "indie music". Pitchfork has shifted completely even if I kin...
by hero
Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:31 pm
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 4
Replies: 23
Views: 9600

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 4

Group 5 Respect - Otis Redding vs Aretha Franklin One of the easiest choice so far. I actually prefer listening to Otis over Aretha in general but she didn't only cover this song. It's her song now, she stole it and made it her own. It's a top 500 track of all time for me. Otis versions isn't even ...
by hero
Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:47 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: 2021 AMF Tournament of Champions: Round 10 (Current)
Replies: 18
Views: 7525

Re: 2021 AMF Tournament of Champions: Round 10 (Current)

Houndamouth | Sedona Blur | On Your Own Dan Bern | Estelle Melanie Martinez | Play Date Lana Del Rey | Shades of Cool CHVRCHES | We Sink Dungen | Fredag Coconut Records | It's Not You It's Me Arcade Fire | Electric Blue Rilo Kiley | The Absence of God M83 | Wait Pulp | The Birds In Your Garden Arcti...
by hero
Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:52 pm
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Errors in the 2020 update
Replies: 429
Views: 710659

Re: Errors in the 2020 update

Give Me Just a Little More Time - Chairmen of the Board
http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/artist/Th ... 0Board.htm

The song and album was released in 1970 not 1969.
by hero
Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:36 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Songs with lyrics that aged poorly
Replies: 64
Views: 28655

Re: Songs with lyrics that aged poorly

What about Simple Man with Charlie Daniels Band?

I think of all the songs about really young girls as well. Only Sixteen for example. Just think if R.Kelly would have done a song like that :)
by hero
Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:18 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 3
Replies: 21
Views: 7946

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 3

Group 5 St Elmo's Fire - Brian Eno vs Uilab Never heard of Uilab before and quite a good version of a great song. But still I prefer Brian Enos version. Et Maintenant / What Now My Love - Gilbert Bécaud vs Frank Sinatra I love Frank Sinatra but not one of my favorite tracks by him. The specific song...
by hero
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:01 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 2
Replies: 19
Views: 6778

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Week 2

Group 3 Sunny Sailor Boy - The Waterboys vs Luka Bloom Black Steel (in the Hours of Chaos) - Public Enemy vs Tricky Valerie - The Zutons vs Mark Ronson ft Amy Winehouse I Heard it Through the Grapevine - Gladys Knight & the Pips vs Creedence Clearwater Revival I do prefer the Marvin Gaye version...
by hero
Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:23 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Cover Versions vs Originals - Voting Thread Week 1
Replies: 21
Views: 7340

Re: Cover Versions vs Originals - Voting Thread Week 1

Group 1 I Will Survive - Gloria Gaynor vs Cake Border Song - Elton John vs Aretha Franklin As - Stevie Wonder vs George Michael & Mary J Blige Mad World - Tears for Fears vs Michael Andrews ft Gary Jules Did consider nominating As but when I listen to them I felt that the Stevie Wonder version d...
by hero
Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:53 pm
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: New Poll/Game ! Covers vs Originals 2021 - NOMINATION PHASE
Replies: 45
Views: 17747

Re: New Poll/Game ! Covers vs Originals 2021 - NOMINATION PHASE

I don't agree. You can't compare bread with cover version because their significance in the world is completely different. Bread is one of (if not the) most basic food, so obviously the word will not change. Cover version however describes a concept that was only made possible in the late 19th cent...
by hero
Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:58 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Idea for a new game - Covers vs originals
Replies: 16
Views: 7867

Re: Idea for a new game - Covers vs originals

. A bit more difficult in the format "one vs one", unless there are multiple nominations for the same song. The first round seems reasonably easy to put in place, it's the second round, if there is one which is more complex. I can't decide whether this should be a simple "covers vs o...
by hero
Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:39 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Idea for a new game - Covers vs originals
Replies: 16
Views: 7867

Re: Idea for a new game - Covers vs originals

Shoot! Suggestion to be the other way around as well. Not only nominating covers that are "good" but also originals that you wanna see spank the more acclaimed cover. e.g. Jesse Harris - Don't Know Why There are also a lot of tracks with multiple covers that could go up against each other....
by hero
Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:35 am
Forum: ARTISTS
Topic: Rolling Stone (USA): The 50 Greatest Kendrick Lamar Songs
Replies: 9
Views: 7726

Re: Rolling Stone (USA): The 50 Greatest Kendrick Lamar Songs

As a Kendrick Lamar fan is always fun to see a list like this. Even though I don't agree with much of the choices. Feels a bit weird to med that King Kunta has fallen so out of favor since its release when it was the most acclaimed song for Lamar. I think maybe that's the song that aged best, even i...
by hero
Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:44 pm
Forum: Readers’ lists/public vote
Topic: Pitchfork (Readers) - Top 200 Albums of the Last 25 Years
Replies: 27
Views: 22819

Re: Pitchfork (Readers) - Top 200 Albums of the Last 25 Years

This is a nonsense point. People like Radiohead because they consistently make outstanding albums - and if people like Radiohead albums just because they are Radiohead albums, than why is The King of Limbs so easily tossed aside by those same people? It's clear a lot of people love A Moon Shaped Po...
by hero
Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:43 pm
Forum: Readers’ lists/public vote
Topic: Pitchfork (Readers) - Top 200 Albums of the Last 25 Years
Replies: 27
Views: 22819

Re: Pitchfork (Readers) - Top 200 Albums of the Last 25 Years

Loose thoughts again. Writing a coherent text would be far more exhausting, so I will leave you with this. 1. The persona of a well-known band will always be behind its releases which makes them appear far more important than the records of no-name bands. There actually aren't a lot of ways to even...
by hero
Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:03 pm
Forum: Readers’ lists/public vote
Topic: Pitchfork (Readers) - Top 200 Albums of the Last 25 Years
Replies: 27
Views: 22819

Re: Pitchfork (Readers) - Top 200 Albums of the Last 25 Years

I would say that objectively they are *one* of the greatest bands of all time (my personal favorite). But that's just my opinion as well. Perhaps there's no way to say they are or they aren't objectively. That said, I don't expect critics to vote for anything other than their favorite albums. Other...
by hero
Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:44 pm
Forum: Readers’ lists/public vote
Topic: Pitchfork (Readers) - Top 200 Albums of the Last 25 Years
Replies: 27
Views: 22819

Re: Pitchfork (Readers) - Top 200 Albums of the Last 25 Years

It is something that I have also thought about, but it has to do with the ways that music reached people in the 90s. You talk about Radiohead as an obscure band that the masses only know two references and it is true, but if you realize within the 200 albums of that list it is the only band that al...
by hero
Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:05 am
Forum: Readers’ lists/public vote
Topic: Pitchfork (Readers) - Top 200 Albums of the Last 25 Years
Replies: 27
Views: 22819

Re: Pitchfork (Readers) - Top 200 Albums of the Last 25 Years

Am I the only one in the world with a quite normal opinion or approach towards Radiohead. It feels like a lot of music interested people put them down as the greatest band in history, without competition. Here they have six albums in the top 200. Five of those in the top 100, 3 in the top 4. Even if...
by hero
Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:01 am
Forum: ALL TIME
Topic: ✅ Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time (2020 edition) + 2023 Update (at the end of the post)
Replies: 141
Views: 172092

Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time (2020 edition)

Stopped by just to check the new additions. I swear I don't understand the press' worship of Kendrick Lamar, who's at #15 right off the bat. I mean, nothing against the guy (unlike Kanye, whose arrogance I can't stand), it's just that I don't feel anything from his songs the way I do with old-schoo...
by hero
Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:17 am
Forum: Rank the tracks
Topic: Rank the Tracks: The Beach Boys' Pet Sounds
Replies: 47
Views: 89067

Re: Rank the Tracks: The Beach Boys' Pet Sounds

8. God Only Knows 1. Wouldn't It Be Nice 13. Caroline, No 4. Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder) 2. You Still Believe in Me 3. That's Not Me 11. I Just Wasn't Made for These Times 10. Here Today 9. I Know There's an Answer 5. I'm Waiting for the Day 7. Sloop John B. 6. Let's Go Away for Awhile...
by hero
Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:27 am
Forum: ALL TIME
Topic: 500 Greatest Songs of All Time (Rolling Stone Magazine version 2021)
Replies: 190
Views: 301776

Re: 500 Greatest Songs of All Time (Rolling Stone Magazine version 2021)

Also, no Aphex Twin is equally goofy. I don't know, Aphex Twin is the kind of artist I never expect to find on a Rolling Stone song list. There is no interest in electronic or ambient music to be found. I never expected Aphex Twin either and am pretty fine with Windowlicker, which I suppose is the ...
by hero
Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:57 pm
Forum: ALL TIME
Topic: 500 Greatest Songs of All Time (Rolling Stone Magazine version 2021)
Replies: 190
Views: 301776

Re: 500 Greatest Songs of All Time (Rolling Stone Magazine version 2021)

I gotta say I don’t understand people complaining about this list being “what’s popular today.” Yeah, it is. That’s kind of the point. I don’t care what songs were important in 1973 or whatever, this is a list from 2021, showing us the best songs as of 2021. The title of the list says "500 GRE...
by hero
Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:56 pm
Forum: ALL TIME
Topic: 500 Greatest Songs of All Time (Rolling Stone Magazine version 2021)
Replies: 190
Views: 301776

Re: 500 Greatest Songs of All Time (Rolling Stone Magazine version 2021)

I gotta say I don’t understand people complaining about this list being “what’s popular today.” Yeah, it is. That’s kind of the point. I don’t care what songs were important in 1973 or whatever, this is a list from 2021, showing us the best songs as of 2021. I think that’s what differ in the opinio...
by hero
Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:53 am
Forum: ALL TIME
Topic: 500 Greatest Songs of All Time (Rolling Stone Magazine version 2021)
Replies: 190
Views: 301776

Re: 500 Greatest Songs of All Time (Rolling Stone Magazine version 2021)

Do you honestly believe they placed What’s Going On and Respect at #1 because the artists are black? It seemed pretty clear to me they topped their respective lists because they’re not just great but their themes are as potent today as when they were originally released, which is as valid a reason ...
by hero
Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:54 pm
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: AMF Best Songs of All Time, 2021 Edition, LIST THREAD!
Replies: 396
Views: 304267

Re: AMF Best Songs of All Time, 2021 Edition, LIST THREAD!

Damn I missed the deadline. Having a kid and moving into a renovation object at the same time made me forgot. Hpefully you other guys have made good choices :)
by hero
Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:21 am
Forum: ALL TIME
Topic: 500 Greatest Songs of All Time (Rolling Stone Magazine version 2021)
Replies: 190
Views: 301776

Re: 500 Greatest Songs of All Time (Rolling Stone Magazine version 2021)

I think both this and the Album lists from RS this year have been a huge disappointment. For me it feels like the last two movements BLM and #metoo, and the fact that the 2004 and 2012 lists have been criticized for being to old white male influenced have been like a wet blanket on every selection a...
by hero
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:43 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Unacclaimed VII: Heats, Week 9
Replies: 25
Views: 14781

Re: Unacclaimed VII: Heats, Week 9

I'm amazed by the low scores for Viola Beach. A really lovely track imo and one of my favorite tracks of 2016. If you haven't seen it you should look at Coldplays tribute at Glastonbury when they cover this track. Maybe busted as the one giving the nomination :) CHLORINE GROUP 1. Viola Beach | Boys ...
by hero
Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:35 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: 2021 AMF Tournament of Champions: Round 3, Part 1
Replies: 31
Views: 13605

Re: 2021 AMF Tournament of Champions: Round 3, Part 1 (Current)

1. Stevie Wonder | Visions
2. David Bowie | Lady Stardust
3. R.E.M. | Sweetness Follows
4. Mr. Bungle | Retrovertigo
5. Aretha Franklin | Border Song
6. The Dandy Warhols | Minnesoter
7. Steeleye Span | All Things Are Quite Silent
8. Ghostland Observatory | Sad Sad City
9. Carly Pearce | Closer to You
by hero
Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:26 am
Forum: Music, Music, Music...
Topic: Unacclaimed VII: Heats, Week 7
Replies: 29
Views: 15696

Re: Unacclaimed VII: Heats, Week 7

ALUMINIUM GROUP The worst group of the competition so far. :angry-banghead: NHF 1. The Outfield | Your Love 2. Christian Bruhn | Hurra wir fliegen 3. Kino | Спокойная ночь 4. Hans-a-Plast | Rank Xerox SILICON GROUP Not often I've already heard three out of four. 1. Drugdealer feat. Weyes Blood | Su...
by hero
Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:57 pm
Forum: ALL TIME
Topic: ✅ NME 2014 The 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time
Replies: 64
Views: 123938

Re: NME 2014 The 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time

I could do one list with my favorite albums of all time and one with what I think are the best albums of all time and the lists would not look the same at all. I find this view very interesting, as I always try to be as subjective as possible with my lists and I wish that music journalists would be...
by hero
Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:47 am
Forum: ALL TIME
Topic: ✅ NME 2014 The 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time
Replies: 64
Views: 123938

Re: NME 2014 The 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time

Of all the music magazines, I think NME reflects my taste in music the best, or at least they used to. But they are one of the most inconsistent magazines of all when it comes to lists. In their list of their best songs of the 90's they rank Common People - Pulp at the top beating the number 1 track...

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