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I listened to Alice Coltrane’s Journey in Satchidananda today, and was shocked to find it isn’t even bubbling under on AM. I feel like it’s got a pretty big reputation, and I’ve seen it on several lists, even the new RS list. What’s an album that you think has a big reputation but isn’t on AM?

This is more meant to be about reputation then quality, I’m sure we all have a couple albums we love but not a lot of people know about, but that’s not really what this thread is about.
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I must’ve completely misjudged their staying power but I was always surprised that a few albums from the last decade didn’t even appear in the Bubbling Under sections despite what seemed to be rapturous praise (from a sizeable amount of publications) when they came out:

Napalm Death - Apex Predator
Ghostface Killah - Apollo Kids
Bomb the Music Industry! - Vacation

I guess ultimately if they don’t end up on end-of-year or end-of-decade lists they probably won’t show up on AM.
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The Pandora’s- It About Time
Gore Gore Girls- Get the Gore
Cults- ST
Trashcan Sinatras- Cake
The Duke Spirit- Neptune
Catherine Wheel- Chrome
Lush- Split
Shonen Knife- Let’s Knife
Tillly and the Wall- We Love Children and/or o
Delays- Faded Ocean Glamour
The Frames- Fitzcarraldo
The Buck Brothers- Me
Rooney- ST
Her Space Holiday- the Young Machines
Gomez- Split the Difference
Ladytron- Witching Hour
Camera Obscura- Underachievers Please Try Harder
Mull Historical Society- Us
Tori Amos- Boys for Pele
Jem- Finally Woken (got unfairly bashed for the frequent Beth Orton comparisons IMO)
Kate Bush- The Red Shoes (which I thought was so much better than it’s predecessor in every way, shape and form. I feel that it took so long to be released and it being released in ‘93 when everyone was already enamored with other women she influenced like Tori, Björk and Sinead plus Siouxies string of comeback singles, albums and tours. Than that it was so guest musician friendly might have turned critics off with the authenticity or whatever)

Dressy Bessy- ST
Sort of pleasantly surprised to see Apples in Stereo at least bubbling with this update but unless you’re named Neutral Milk Hotel I guess the Elephant 6 ensemble doesn’t get much love here and even Of Montreal took quite some time to finally chart after all the years they’d been together.

Liz Phairs whitecholatespaceegg never fails no matter the update to come in dead last in the bubblers for 1998.
Supergrass’ Life on Other Planets never “Phairs” much better.

Ash’s Free All Angels blew the overrated 1977 out of the water but maybe cause it was such a smash hit and their most popular by far?

Denmark never got much love here for their greats like Mew and the Raveonettes)

Think the Long Blonde’s Someone to Drive….masterpiece was also bubbling under but it deserved better.

Hoping Wolf Alice FINALLY charts this time around with their new release.

This is just off top of my head…..well Spotify and vlc player playlist….so I’m admitting gonna be editing all night when I think of who I left off.
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luvulongTIM wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 7:27 am Kate Bush- The Dreaming (which I thought was so much better than it’s predecessor in every way, shape and form. I feel that it took so long to be released and it being released in ‘93 when everyone was already enamored with other women she influenced like Tori, Björk and Sinead plus Siouxies string of comeback singles, albums and tours.
I think you might be talking about The Red Shoes, which came out in 1993. The Dreaming, which is from 1982, is ranked #1305.
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Brand New, American Football, and Death From Above 1979 all have albums on this website, but not the albums you'd expect (The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me, American Football (first album), and You're a Woman I'm a Machine).

I figure this is because all 3 are somewhat "cult" bands who were ignored by critics at the peak of their influence, released comeback albums that were acclaimed due to a critical re-evaluation of the band's work, but never had that re-evaluation extend to the work that's actually loved by their fans, because of the fact that the window for the type of lists that would've contained those albums (typically EOY lists) had come and gone.
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Nick wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:54 pm Brand New, American Football, and Death From Above 1979 all have albums on this website, but not the albums you'd expect (The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me, American Football (first album), and You're a Woman I'm a Machine).

I figure this is because all 3 are somewhat "cult" bands who were ignored by critics at the peak of their influence, released comeback albums that were acclaimed due to a critical re-evaluation of the band's work, but never had that re-evaluation extend to the work that's actually loved by their fans, because of the fact that the window for the type of lists that would've contained those albums (typically EOY lists) had come and gone.
Have a Nice Life also used to fall victim to this, but it appears that in the past year or two their 2008 album Deathconsciousness (which is far more beloved in music communities than their 2014 album) has been added to AM.
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Harold wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 1:48 pm
luvulongTIM wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 7:27 am Kate Bush- The Dreaming (which I thought was so much better than it’s predecessor in every way, shape and form. I feel that it took so long to be released and it being released in ‘93 when everyone was already enamored with other women she influenced like Tori, Björk and Sinead plus Siouxies string of comeback singles, albums and tours.
I think you might be talking about The Red Shoes, which came out in 1993. The Dreaming, which is from 1982, is ranked #1305.
Thanks for the correction! I had written all this down before and went to look at my Spotify playlist to look to see what should be listed. When I got back to this site, all I had written had been erased :angry-banghead: so I had to start all over again so I knew I probably made a lot of mistakes purely out of frustration.

Anyway up until a recent update I think Sensual World even outranked the Dreaming which I thought was absolutely insane but luckily critics have come to their senses. Ive still seen Sensual World listed over the Dreaming or higher in recent lists. Seriously if you it ranked higher you must be the one who’s clearly high.
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More disappointed than surprised :-)

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8. Utopia - Todd Rundgren's Utopia 1974
12. Todd Rundgren - Hermit Of Mink Hollow 1978
15. Todd Rundgren - Runt: The Ballad of Todd Rundgren 1971
23. Utopia - Adventures in Utopia 1979
28. Todd Rundgren - Runt 1970
30. The Style Council - The Cost of Loving 1987
31. Todd Rundgren - Healing 1981
32. Journey - Infinity 1978
33. Todd Rundgren - The Ever Popular Tortured Artist Effect 1982
35. Todd Rundgren - Faithful 1976
36. Joe Jackson - I'm The Man 1979
38. Todd Rundgren - Initiation 1975
39. Genesis - Duke 1980
40. Todd Rundgren - Liars 2004
42. Todd Rundgren - Nearly Human 1989
44. Todd Rundgren - No World Order 1993
46. Utopia - Another Live 1975
47. Third Eye Blind - Third Eye Blind 1997
48. Utopia - Ra 1977
49. The Style Council - Confessions Of A Pop Group 1988
50. Utopia - Oops Wrong Planet 1977
52. Utopia - Oblivion 1984
54. Todd Rundgren - Second Wind 1991
56. Todd Rundgren - The Individualist 1995
59. Todd Rundgren - Arena 2008
64. The Beat - Special Beat Service 1982
68. Todd Rundgren - State 2013
73. Eagles - One of these nights 1975
76. Joe Satriani - Professor Satchafunkilus And The Musterion Of Rock 2008
77. Joe Jackson - Body and Soul 1984
84. Doobie Brothers - The Captain And Me 1973
91. Return to Forever - Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy 1973
95. Kansas - Leftoverture 1976
101. Eric Clapton - Eric Clapton 1970
105. Thomas Dolby - The Flat Earth 1984
108. Chicago - Chicago II 1970
115. Collective Soul - Collective Soul 1995
117. Paul Weller - Stanley Road 1995
123. Cowboy Junkies - Lay It Down 1996
125. Matchbox Twenty - Yourself or Someone Like You 1996
127. Elton John - Don't Shoot Me, Im Only the Piano Player 1973
130. The Marshall Tucker Band - The Marshall Tucker Band 1973
132. The Who - The Who By Numbers 1975
137. Eagles - On the Border 1974
139. Paul Weller - Paul Weller 1992
140. Matchbox Twenty - More Than You Think You Are 2002
143. The Marshall Tucker Band - Searchin' for a Rainbow 1975
146. Billy Joel - Turnstiles 1976
151. Linkin Park - Meteora 2003
153. Santana - Supernatural 1999
161. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Trilogy 1972
162. Linda Rondstadt - Prisoner In Disguise 1975
163. Foo Fighters - There Is Nothing Left To Lose 1999
169. Billy Joel - Glass Houses 1980
173. Bread - Guitar Man 1972
174. Matchbox Twenty - Mad Season 2000
175. Genesis - Wind & Wuthering 1976
178. Carly Simon - No Secrets 1972
180. The Beatles - "Yesterday" ...and Today 1966
185. Al Stewart - Year of the Cat 1976
187. George Benson - In Flight 1976
189. Robin Trower - Bridge Of Sighs 1974
190. Todd Rundgren - White Knight 2017
191. The Beat - Wha'ppen? 1981
193. Doobie Brothers - Livin' On the Fault Line 1977
195. Eric Carmen - Eric Carmen 1975
196. Joe Satriani - Flying in a Blue Dream 1989
198. Culture Club - Kissing to Be Clever 1982
199. Steely Dan - Two Against Nature 2000
203. Celine Dion - Falling Into You 1996
204. Alan Parsons Project - I, Robot 1977
206. Heart - Dreamboat Annie 1976
210. Huey Lewis & The News - Sports 1983
211. Erasure - The Innocents 1988
213. Steve Winwood - Back in the High Life 1986
216. Genesis - Genesis 1983
218. The Moody Blues - Seventh Sojurn 1972
222. Eagles - Long Run 1979
223. Bread - Baby I'm-A Want You 1972
224. The Pretenders - Pretenders II 1981
232. Doobie Brothers - What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits 1974
241. Michael Brecker - Pilgrimage 2007
242. The Cranberries - Bury the Hatchet 1999
246. Rod Stewart - A Night On the Town 1976
252. America - America 1971
254. America - Holiday 1974
255. Return to Forever - Where Have I Known You Before 1974
258. Genesis - Invisible Touch 1986
259. The Cure - Wish 1992
264. Blue Oyster Cult - Fire of Unknown Origin 1981
265. Carolina Liar - Coming to Terms 2008
266. Return to Forever - No Mystery 1975
269. George Benson - Tenderly 1989
270. Donald Fagen - Kamakiriad 1993
271. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer 1970
273. Styx - The Grand Illusion 1977
274. Renaissance - Ashes Are Burning 1973
275. Paul McCartney - Venus and Mars 1975
281. Electric Light Orchestra - Face the Music 1975
288. Joe Satriani - Crystal Planet 1998
289. America - Homecoming 1972
290. Heart - Heart 1985
291. The Allman Brothers - Idlewild South 1970
296. The Guess Who - American Woman 1970
297. Doobie Brothers - Takin' It To the Streets 1976
299. Genesis - ABACAB 1981
300. Silversun Pickups - Swoon 2009
302. Carole King - Music 1973
304. Electric Light Orchestra - A New World Record 1976
311. Stevie Ray Vaughn - The Sky Is Crying 1991
312. Buffalo Springfield - Last Time Around 1968
314. Renaissance - Turn of the Cards 1974
324. America - Hearts 1975
325. Larry Carlton - Kid Gloves 1992
328. Dave Mason - Let It Flow 1977
331. Boston - Don't Look Back 1978
334. John Lennon - Mind Games 1973
335. The Good Rats - Tasty 1974
336. Barenaked Ladies - Stunt 1998
339. Joe Satriani - Is There Love In Space? 2004
344. Dave Mason - It's Like You Never Left 1973
347. Linda Ronstadt - Simple Dreams 1977
349. Carpenters - Close To You 1970
352. Bruce Hornsby & The Range - The Way It Is 1986
353. Joe Satriani - The Extremist 1992
355. John Mayer - Heavier Things 2003
357. The Babys - Head First 1978
359. Dave Mason - Dave Mason 1974
363. Joe Satriani - Time Machine 1993
364. Doobie Brothers - Minute By Minute 1978
366. Gloria Estefan - Let It Loose 1987
367. The Association - Inside Out 1967
369. The Association - And Then...Along Comes The Association 1966
370. The Supremes - The Supremes A' Go-Go 1966
371. The Band - Stage Fright 1970
372. The Monkees - The Monkees 1966
373. Nazz - Nazz 1968
374. Stevie Wonder - Signed, Sealed & Delivered 1970
376. New Radicals - Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too 1998
377. Phil Collins - No Jacket Required 1985
380. Joe Satriani - Shapeshifting 2020
381. Chicago - Chicago V 1972
383. Santana - Shaman 2002
388. Jimi Hendrix - The Cry of Love 1971
389. Cat Stevens - Catch Bull At Four 1972
390. Journey - Evolution 1979
394. Train - Save Me, San Francisco 2009
400. Focus - Focus II (Moving Ways) 1971
402. Bodacious DF - Bodacious DF 1973
404. Keith Jarrett - Solo Concerts: Bremen and Lausanne 1973
409. Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay 1970
410. Joe Jackson - Big World 1986
411. Arlo Guthrie - Alice's Restaurant 1967
412. The Cranberries - No Need To Argue 1994
416. Todd Rundgren - With a Twist 1997
417. Ken Hensley - Proud Words on a Dusty Shelf 1973
419. Ringo Starr - Ringo 1973
420. Journey - Frontiers 1983
424. Lionel Richie - Dancing On the Ceiling 1986
429. Jack Johnson - Brushfire Fairytales 2000
431. Genesis - …And Then There Were Three 1978
434. Sara Bareilles - Little Voice 2007
435. Stevie Wonder - Up-Tight, Everything's Alright 1966
436. Billy Joel - Piano Man 1973
439. Joe Satriani - Satriani Live! 2006
440. Whitney Houston - Whitney 1987
441. Barenaked Ladies - Maroon 2000
445. Foo Fighters - In Your Honor 2005
446. Jackson Browne - Looking East 1996
448. Pat Metheny - 80/81 1980
451. Spyro Gyra - Morning Dance 1979
453. Heart - Little Queen 1977
454. Kelly Clarkson - Stronger 2011
455. Sarah McLachan Afterglow 2003
456. Train - Drops of Jupiter 2001
458. Bette Midler - The Divine Miss M 1972
459. Fall Out Boy - From under The Cork Tree 2005
460. John Mayer - Room For Squares 2001
462. Steely Dan - Everything Must Go 2003
463. Ten Years After - Cricklewood Green 1970
465. Third Eye Blind - Blue 1999
467. Paul Weller - Wake Up the Nation 2010
470. The Crusaders - Crusaders 1 1972
474. Smashing Pumpkins - Gish 1991
475. Coldplay - Mylo Xyloto 2011
483. Keith Jarrett - My Song 1978
486. Thin Lizzy - Black Rose - A Rock Legend 1979
487. Train - My Private Nation 2003
488. Fall Out Boy - Take This to Your Grave 2003
495. Jim Croce - You Don't Mess Around With Jim 1972
497. Frank Zappa - Zoot Allures 1976
498. Uriah Heep - Look At Yourself 1971
502. Cat Stevens - Foreigner 1973
503. Carly Simon - Anticipation 1971
504. Neil Young - Comes a Time 1978
507. Styx - Cornerstone 1979
508. Blue Oyster Cult - Blue Oyster Cult 1972
511. Grand Funk Railroad - We're an American Band 1973
513. Jim Croce - Life and Times 1973
516. Dave Matthews - Everyday 2001
517. Pet Shop Boys - Please 1986
522. Aerosmith - Aerosmith 1973
526. Warren Haynes - Man In Motion 2011
527. Everclear / Songs From An American Movie, Vol. 2: Good Time For A Bad Attitude 2000
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533. Altanta Rhythm Section - A Rock and Roll Alternative 1976
535. The Moody Blues - In Search of the Lost Chord 1968
540. Jetrho Tull Benefit 1970
541. Jim Croce - I Got A Name 1973
544. Alice Cooper Welcome to My Nightmare 1975
548. The Monkees Headquarters 1967
550. Coldplay - X&Y 2005
551. Queen - News of the World 1977
557. Robert Cray / Sweet Potato Pie 1997
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563. Evanescence Evanescence 2011
564. Prefab Sprout - From Langley Park to Memphis 1988
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568. India.Arie - Acoustic Soul 2001
569. Linkin Park / Hybrid Theory 2000
570. Santana / All That I Am 2005
575. Alan Parsons Project - Eye In the Sky 1982
578. Jack Johnson - Sleep Through The Static 2008
579. Robert Cray / Take Your Shoes Off 1999
580. Phish / Round Room 2002
582. Bonnie Raitt / Luck of the Draw 1991
586. Fall Out Boy - Infinity on High 2007
588. The Young Rascals Groovin' 1967
592. Pat Benatar Crimes of Passion 1980
593. Lee Ritenour / This Is Love 1998
594. Pink - Missundaztood 2001
595. Death Cab For Cutie Plans 2005
597. The Killers Sam's Town 2006
598. The Lovin' Spoonful Daydream 1966
599. The Who Who Are You 1978
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Don't understand how this album is not there. Seven of the 12 tracks were hit singles eventually, and 2 other tracks are well known flip sides.

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A few of my favorites that are either not mentioned on the site or surprisingly bubbling.

C418 - Minecraft: Volume Alpha
Green Day - Kerplunk
Bright Eyes - Fevers And Mirrors
Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith and Devotion
Kids See Ghosts - Kids See Ghosts
Wavves - Wavvves
Bauhaus - The Sky's Gone Out
The Gits - Frenching The Bully
Operation Ivy - Energy
Nitzer Ebb - That Total Age
Kid Cudi - Man on The Moon: The End of The Day
Brockhampton - Saturation III
Lil Peep - Come Over When You're Sober, Pt. 1
Radiohead - Pablo Honey
Death Grips - The Powers That B
Nine Inch Nails - Broken
Peter Murphy - Deep
Social Distortion - Social Distortion
David Bowie - Earthling
Elvis Presley - Aloha From Hawaii
Twenty One Pilots - Trench
Jimmy Eat World - Clairity
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If the Beta Band has the Three EPs Lush’s Gala should definitely be included as well and I’ve heard this from people that aren’t even as big on Lush as I am.
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This thread is pretty much the ultimate resource for this question.
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Holden wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:40 am I listened to Alice Coltrane’s Journey in Satchidananda today, and was shocked to find it isn’t even bubbling under on AM.
I do prefer Ptah, The El Daoud by her but that is startling to see neither's on AM.
luvulongTIM wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 7:27 am Hoping Wolf Alice FINALLY charts this time around with their new release.
This. I'm hoping more that the buzz about the upcoming album will help bump Vision of a Life up from bubbling under. You're right that Free All Angels should be on AM but I'd be lying if I said I was surprised it's not listed- Ash just don't strike me as a band who made waves in American critical circles at least, either at the time or since.

My shocks:
- Song to a Seagull wasn't exactly my favourite in last week's MAA but I didn't foresee it being the only one of Joni Mitchell's first 8 albums to miss the top 3000.
- Given the number of ranked albums whose reputation seems to rely heavily on one or two famous tracks, I expected Showcase by Patsy Cline to make it on the basis of Crazy and I Fall to Pieces alone.
- Dance to the Music saw Sly and the Family Stone's Larry Graham practically invent slap bass. You'd think that legacy and the LP's quality would count for something, even if they would release better albums later on.
- James Brown might not be seen as an albums artist, so, compared to other omissions, I can't say I fell off my chair in amazement but I envisioned Get up offa That Thing to be BU and its title track to be in the top 10K.
But I believe in this and it's been tested by research...
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