Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

A lot of the comments in Errors in the 2018 update are about release dates for songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version. It seems like a majority want AM to use the year of the most acclaimed version, but I would like to add something about the first recording as well.

For songs like this, the presentation could be:

Katrina and The Waves
Walking on Sunshine

Release Year (most acclaimed version): 1985 ("Katrina and The Waves" album)

Original version: 1983 ("Walking on Sunshine" album)



Do you like this idea, or have another suggestion?

Also, please help me list the AM songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version.
Artist | Song | Original release year and source | Acclaimed release year and source

Examples:
Katrina and The Waves | Walking on Sunshine | 1983 ("Walking on Sunshine" album) | 1985 ("Katrina and The Waves" album)
Pet Shop Boys | West End Girls | 1984 (single release) | 1985 (new single release)

Notes:
For Walking on Sunshine, the 1985 source could also be "Katrina and The Waves" album / single release, but I wanted to keep it simple.
For West End Girls, the "Please" album is not mentioned since it is from 1986.


Also note that I only intend to do this for songs with a new recording that was released another year. And only if the new recording is clearly the more acclaimed one.
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
User avatar
Edre Depeche Head
Movin' On Up
Posts: 866
Joined: Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:27 pm
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Edre Depeche Head »

Green Day - Welcome To Paradise
Release Year (most acclaimed version): 1994 ("Dookie" album)
Original Version: 1991 ("Kerplunk" album)
Edre the Depeche Head
Nick
Running Up That Hill
Posts: 3115
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:28 pm
Location: New York State

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Nick »

I think that’s a pretty reasonable compromise. If I’m understanding this correctly, the artist’s pages would look the same as they do now, but when you actually click on the song it would bring you to a page listing the information you’re describing? And when it comes to how a song would appear under the pages for individual years, those songs would be listed by the year the most acclaimed version came out, not the first version. Is that also correct?
User avatar
BleuPanda
Higher Ground
Posts: 4717
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:20 am
Location: Urbana, IL

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by BleuPanda »

I feel like this is the big one (since it did not appear at all until the 2016 EOY lists):
Radiohead | True Love Waits | 2001 (I Might Be Wrong: Live Recordings) | 2016 (A Moon Shaped Pool)

Are you going to do anything with songs with remixes? I feel like there must be a few where the remix is notable; for example, I think 19/2000 by the Gorillaz is mostly known for the Soulchild remix and it looks like about half the lists that feature it explicitly name the remix.
User avatar
Sweepstakes Ron
Full of Fire
Posts: 2723
Joined: Sat May 18, 2013 3:32 pm
Location: Here, There, and Everywhere

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Sweepstakes Ron »

Arcade Fire | No Cars Go | 2003 (Arcade Fire EP) | 2007 (Neon Bible)
Cheap Trick | I Want You to Want Me | 1977 (In Color) | 1979 (At Budokan)
Bob Marley and The Wailers | No Woman No Cry | 1974 (Natty Dread) | 1975 (Live!)
Splish splash, I was raking in the cash
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

Nick wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:08 pm I think that’s a pretty reasonable compromise. If I’m understanding this correctly, the artist’s pages would look the same as they do now, but when you actually click on the song it would bring you to a page listing the information you’re describing? And when it comes to how a song would appear under the pages for individual years, those songs would be listed by the year the most acclaimed version came out, not the first version. Is that also correct?
Correct!
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

BleuPanda wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:34 pm Are you going to do anything with songs with remixes? I feel like there must be a few where the remix is notable; for example, I think 19/2000 by the Gorillaz is mostly known for the Soulchild remix and it looks like about half the lists that feature it explicitly name the remix.
I’ve thought about this too, but it is often hard to tell if the critics prefer the remix or not, so for now I don’t want to go down this path more than necessary. But cases like Everything But the Girl’s ”Missing” and Taylor Swift’s ”Bad Blood” belong to this thread.

An extension of this idea would be to list all acclaimed versions on the song pages, but I think we should save that for later.
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
panam
Full of Fire
Posts: 2691
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by panam »

I don't know if it can be applied but with the song "Despacito" it happens that all the Anglo sources acclaim the remix with Justin Bieber but the Latin sources prefer the original version.
Nick
Running Up That Hill
Posts: 3115
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:28 pm
Location: New York State

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Nick »

Demo versions of MGMT’s “Time to Pretend” and “Kids” were originally released on their 2005 Time to Pretend EP.
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

Thanks for the suggestions so far!

After a bit of research, here's what I've got right now:

Alton Ellis | I Am Still in Love | 1967 (Sings Rock and Soul [as "I'm Still in Love With You"]) | 1977 (Still in Love)
Arcade Fire | No Cars Go | 2003 (Arcade Fire EP) | 2007 (Neon Bible)
Asian Dub Foundation | Free Satpal Ram (Primal Scream and Brendan Lynch Mix) | 1997 (R.A.F.I.) | 1998 (Rafi's Revenge)
Bob Marley and The Wailers | No Woman No Cry | 1974 (Natty Dread) | 1975 (Live!)
Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band | Turn the Page | 1976 (Back in '72) | 1976 ('Live' Bullet)
Bruce Springsteen | Wrecking Ball | 2010 (single release (live at Giants Stadium)) | 2012 ("Wrecking Ball" album)
Car Seat Headrest | Something Soon | 2011 (My Back Is Killing Me Baby) | 2015 (Teens of Style)
Car Seat Headrest | Bodys | 2011 (Twin Fantasy) | 2018 (Twin Fantasy (Face to Face))
Casper Magico, Nio Garcia, Darell, Nicky Jam, Bad Bunny & Ozuna | Te Boté (Remix) | 2017 (single release) | 2018 (new single release)
Cheap Trick | I Want You to Want Me | 1977 (In Color) | 1979 (At Budokan)
Everything But the Girl | Missing (Todd Terry Remix) | 1994 (Amplified Heart) | 1995 (single release)
Gin Blossoms | Hey Jealousy | 1989 (Dusted) | 1992 (New Miserable Experience)
Green Day | Welcome to Paradise | 1991 (Kerplunk) | 1994 (Dookie)
Jorge Ben | Taj Mahal | 1972 (Ben) | 1976 (África Brasil)
Katrina and The Waves | Walking on Sunshine | 1983 ("Katrina and The Waves" album) | 1985 ("Walking on Sunshine" album)
Lil' Kim feat. Lil' Cease & The Notorious B.I.G. | Crush on You (Remix) | 1996 (Hard Core) | 1997 (single release)
Lil Nas X feat. Billy Ray Cyrus | Old Town Road (Remix) | 2018 (single release) | 2019 (new single release)
Los Del Río | Macarena (Bayside Boys Mix) | 1993 (A mí me gusta) | 1995 (Calentito)
M.I.A. | Bad Girls | 2010 ("Vicki Leekx" mixtape) | 2012 (Matangi)
MGMT | Kids | 2005 (Time to Pretend EP) | 2007 (Oracular Spectacular)
MGMT | Time to Pretend | 2005 (Time to Pretend EP) | 2007 (Oracular Spectacular)
Moby | Go (Woodtick Mix) | 1990 (B-side of "Mobility" single) | 1991 (single release)
Pet Shop Boys | West End Girls | 1984 (single release) | 1985 (new single release)
R. Kelly | Ignition (Remix) | 2002 (single release) | 2003 (Chocolate Factory)
Radiohead | True Love Waits | 2001 (I Might Be Wrong: Live Recordings) | 2016 (A Moon Shaped Pool)
Ray Charles with The Raylettes | (Night Time) Is the Right Time | 1958 (Ray Charles at Newport) | 1959 (single release)
Richard Hell & The Voidoids | Blank Generation | 1976 (EP release) | 1977 ("Blank Generation" album)
Robin S. | Show Me Love (StoneBridge Mix) | 1990 (single release) | 1992 (new single release)
Taylor Swift feat. Kendrick Lamar | Bad Blood (Remixed Version) | 2014 ("1989" album) | 2015 (single release)
The Notorious B.I.G. feat. Faith Evans | One More Chance (Stay with Me Remix) | 1994 (Ready to Die) | 1995 (single release)
Whitesnake | Here I Go Again | 1982 (Saints and Sinners) | 1987 ("Whitesnake/1987" album)
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
Nick
Running Up That Hill
Posts: 3115
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:28 pm
Location: New York State

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Nick »

"There She Goes" by The La's was originally released in 1988, but it was a remix of that version that was released in 1990 and subsequently became popular/acclaimed.
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

Nick wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:46 pm "There She Goes" by The La's was originally released in 1988, but it was a remix of that version that was released in 1990 and subsequently became popular/acclaimed.
Perhaps the same with The House of Love’s ”Shine On” (1987/1990)?

Also, several KLF songs.
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
panam
Full of Fire
Posts: 2691
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by panam »

What about Suzanne Vega's "Tom's diner", where the version of 1987 and the remix of 1990 are separated?
Last edited by panam on Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

panam wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:59 pm What about Suzanne Luka's "Tom's diner", where the version of 1987 and the remix of 1990 are separated?
This has been up before. It’s a special case, since the remix was released by DNA, featuring Suzanne Vega. Should the two versions be merged on AM anyway?
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
User avatar
StevieFan13
Wuthering Heights
Posts: 6967
Joined: Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:00 pm
Location: New York, New York
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by StevieFan13 »

panam wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:59 pm What about Suzanne Luka's "Tom's diner", where the version of 1987 and the remix of 1990 are separated?
Suzanne Vega?
Music is a world within itself, with a language we all understand - Sir Duke (1976)
panam
Full of Fire
Posts: 2691
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by panam »

Henrik wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:06 pm
panam wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:59 pm What about Suzanne Vega's "Tom's diner", where the version of 1987 and the remix of 1990 are separated?
This has been up before. It’s a special case, since the remix was released by DNA, featuring Suzanne Vega. Should the two versions be merged on AM anyway?
Personally I think it shouldn't. But I was thinking in the criteria (to be applied for all songs), maybe when both versions are "equally" acclaimed and appear in a different period of time?

"Equally": to surpass the minimum required to be on AM.
Last edited by panam on Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
panam
Full of Fire
Posts: 2691
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by panam »

StevieFan13 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:13 pm
panam wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:59 pm What about Suzanne Luka's "Tom's diner", where the version of 1987 and the remix of 1990 are separated?
Suzanne Vega?
:mrgreen: Vega!!! I corrected it. My conscious thought of her signature song.
panam
Full of Fire
Posts: 2691
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by panam »

Two more songs:
Panjabi MC - Mundian to Bach Ke
Aha - Take On Me
Nassim
Full of Fire
Posts: 2793
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:35 pm
Location: Lille (France)

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Nassim »

I think there is a case to be made for the 2001 remix of Ante Up to be considered more acclaimed than the 2000 album track
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

Nassim wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:52 pm I think there is a case to be made for the 2001 remix of Ante Up to be considered more acclaimed than the 2000 album track
I looked at the source lists and while you might be right, this is from a clear case. I think I will present the song like this instead

M.O.P
Ante Up (Robbing-Hoodz Theory) / Ante Up (Remix) feat. Busta Rhymes, Remy Ma & Teflon [2001]
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

A-ha | Take On Me | 1985 (Hunting High and Low)
Original Version: 1984 (first single release)

Björk | All Is Full of Love | 1999 (single release)
Original Version: 1997 (Homogenic)

Bob Marley and The Wailers | Put It On | 1971 (Soul Revolution)
Original Version: 1965 (single release [as "I'm Gonna Put It On"])

Bob Marley and The Wailers | Stir It Up | 1973 (Catch a Fire)
Original Version: 1967 (single release)

Panjabi MC feat. Jay-Z | Beware (Jay-Z Remix) | 2003 ("Beware" album)
Original Version: 1998 (Legalised [as "Mundian to Bach Ke"])

The House of Love | Shine On | 1990 ("The House of Love (II)" album)
Original Version: 1987 (first single release)

The KLF | What Time Is Love? (Live at Transcentral) | 1990 (new single release)
Original Version: 1988 (single release)

The KLF | 3 A.M. Eternal (Live at the S.S.L.) | 1991 (The White Room)
Original Version: 1989 (first single release)

The KLF | Last Train to Transcentral (Live from the Lost Continent) | 1991 (new single release)
Original Version: 1990 (single release)

The La's | There She Goes | 1990 ("The La's" album)
Original Version: 1988 (first single release)
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
panam
Full of Fire
Posts: 2691
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by panam »

Henrik wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:12 am

Björk | All Is Full of Love | 1999 (single release)
Original Version: 1997 (Homogenic)
Right now, this song appears in 1997 list, so that's gonna change?
User avatar
Akhenaten
Unquestionable Presence
Posts: 625
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:53 pm
Location: UK

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Akhenaten »

I can think of these ones:
James | Sit Down | 1989 (single release) | 1991 (new single release)
James | Come Home | 1989 (single release) | 1990 (new single release - Flood Mix)
Sisters Of Mercy | Temple Of Love | 1983 (single release) | 1992 (new single release)
Pet Shop Boys | Opportunities (Let's Make Lots Of Money) | 1985 (single release) | 1986 (Please)
Cornershop | Brimful Of Asha | 1997 (When I Was Born for the 7th Time) | 1998 (new single release - Norman Cook Remix)
Last edited by Akhenaten on Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
But I was caught, like a fleeting thought,
Stuck inside Leonard Cohen's mind
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

panam wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:14 pm
Henrik wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:12 am

Björk | All Is Full of Love | 1999 (single release)
Original Version: 1997 (Homogenic)
Right now, this song appears in 1997 list, so that's gonna change?
Correct
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
panam
Full of Fire
Posts: 2691
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by panam »

Henrik wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:33 pm
panam wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:14 pm
Henrik wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:12 am

Björk | All Is Full of Love | 1999 (single release)
Original Version: 1997 (Homogenic)
Right now, this song appears in 1997 list, so that's gonna change?
Correct
Sorry for asking. Because at first I thought it was just for remixes or different versions of the same song. So, it will apply to any single edit that differs from the album version (talking about the same Howie B version)?
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

panam wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:42 pm
Henrik wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:33 pm
panam wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:14 pm

Right now, this song appears in 1997 list, so that's gonna change?
Correct
Sorry for asking. Because at first I thought it was just for remixes or different versions of the same song. So, it will apply to any single edit that differs from the album version (talking about the same Howie B version)?
Not any single edit, then this site will become a mess. But the single version of "All Is Full of Love" is very different to the album version.
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
panam
Full of Fire
Posts: 2691
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by panam »

Henrik wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:57 pm
panam wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:42 pm
Henrik wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:33 pm

Correct
Sorry for asking. Because at first I thought it was just for remixes or different versions of the same song. So, it will apply to any single edit that differs from the album version (talking about the same Howie B version)?
Not any single edit, then this site will become a mess. But the single version of "All Is Full of Love" is very different to the album version.
Sadly most of the page sources are unavailable, I wanted to check the versions used for the acclaimed lists.
User avatar
BleuPanda
Higher Ground
Posts: 4717
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:20 am
Location: Urbana, IL

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by BleuPanda »

I think this must be one considering the seemingly obscure initial release and two of the four lists being 'best of the 2000s' - and listening to the original, the rerecording is leagues better in my personal opinion:
ANOHNI | Cripple and the Starfish | God Shave the Queen! Compilation (1996) | Antony and the Johnsons (2000)

This is actually listed as 1995 on Acclaimed Music, so I'm not sure on the original release I have listed above - I'm guessing there was a 1995 single not mentioned on the Wikipedia page.
User avatar
Akhenaten
Unquestionable Presence
Posts: 625
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:53 pm
Location: UK

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Akhenaten »

There's this one:
The Specials | Too Much Too Young | 1979 (Specials) | 1980 (Too Much Too Young - The Special A.K.A. Live!)
But I was caught, like a fleeting thought,
Stuck inside Leonard Cohen's mind
User avatar
Madzong
Shake Some Action
Posts: 1476
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:36 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Madzong »

Psychedelic Furs - Pretty In Pink (album Version) Vs. Pretty In Pink (OST version)
Last edited by Madzong on Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"On a mountain range, I'm Dr. Strange"
DDD troll account
Let's Get It On
Posts: 257
Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:42 pm
Location: Berlin, Germany
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by DDD troll account »

Not sure which one is the most acclaimed version in these cases, but all were re-recorded for a more well-known later release on a bigger label:

Stick McGhee | Drinkin' Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee | 1947 (Harlem single release) | 1949 (Atlantic single release)
Professor Longhair | Mardi Gras in New Orleans | 1950 (Star Talent single release) | 1950 (Atlantic single release)
Professor Longhair | Bald Head | 1950 (Star Talent single release, as "She Ain't Got No Hair") | 1950 (Atlantic single release)
Go-Go's | We Got the Beat | 1980 (I.R.S. single release) | 1981 (Beauty and the Beat)
R.E.M. | Radio Free Europe | 1981 (Hib-Tone single release) | 1983 (Murmur)
User avatar
Romain
Happy Up Here
Posts: 5432
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:25 pm
Location: Lyon, France

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Romain »

I don't know if it fits in with what you're asking, but I just thought about "Je t'aime, moi non plus".

"The song was written and recorded in late 1967 for Gainsbourg's girlfriend, Brigitte Bardot. She asked him to write the most beautiful love song he could imagine and that night he wrote "Je t'aime" and "Bonnie and Clyde". They recorded an arrangement of "Je t'aime" by Michel Colombier at a Paris studio in a two-hour session in a small glass booth; the engineer William Flageollet said there was "heavy petting".
After the first broadcast on Radio Europe1, German businessman Gunter Sachs, was angry and called for the single to be withdrawn. Bardot pleaded with Gainsbourg not to release it. He complied but observed "The music is very pure. For the first time in my life, I write a love song and it's taken badly".

"In 1968, Gainsbourg and English actress Jane Birkin began a relationship when they met on the set of the film Slogan. After filming, he asked her to record the song with him." "Birkin had heard the Bardot version and thought it "so hot". She said: "I only sang it because I didn't want anybody else to sing it", jealous at the thought of his sharing a recording studio with someone else."

So, the first recording is not the acclaimed version :-) Not exactly with the same interprest but it's not really a cover???
User avatar
Akhenaten
Unquestionable Presence
Posts: 625
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:53 pm
Location: UK

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Akhenaten »

U2 | The Sweetest Thing | 1987 (B side) | 1998 (single release)
But I was caught, like a fleeting thought,
Stuck inside Leonard Cohen's mind
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

Romain wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:28 am I don't know if it fits in with what you're asking, but I just thought about "Je t'aime, moi non plus".

"The song was written and recorded in late 1967 for Gainsbourg's girlfriend, Brigitte Bardot. She asked him to write the most beautiful love song he could imagine and that night he wrote "Je t'aime" and "Bonnie and Clyde". They recorded an arrangement of "Je t'aime" by Michel Colombier at a Paris studio in a two-hour session in a small glass booth; the engineer William Flageollet said there was "heavy petting".
After the first broadcast on Radio Europe1, German businessman Gunter Sachs, was angry and called for the single to be withdrawn. Bardot pleaded with Gainsbourg not to release it. He complied but observed "The music is very pure. For the first time in my life, I write a love song and it's taken badly".

"In 1968, Gainsbourg and English actress Jane Birkin began a relationship when they met on the set of the film Slogan. After filming, he asked her to record the song with him." "Birkin had heard the Bardot version and thought it "so hot". She said: "I only sang it because I didn't want anybody else to sing it", jealous at the thought of his sharing a recording studio with someone else."

So, the first recording is not the acclaimed version :-) Not exactly with the same interprest but it's not really a cover???
Yes, not really a cover, but I think that if the SG & BB version was acclaimed it would get its own AM entry. Also, the SG & JB version was the first commersial release of the song.
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

pauldrach wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:20 am Not sure which one is the most acclaimed version in these cases, but all were re-recorded for a more well-known later release on a bigger label:

Stick McGhee | Drinkin' Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee | 1947 (Harlem single release) | 1949 (Atlantic single release)
Professor Longhair | Mardi Gras in New Orleans | 1950 (Star Talent single release) | 1950 (Atlantic single release)
Professor Longhair | Bald Head | 1950 (Star Talent single release, as "She Ain't Got No Hair") | 1950 (Atlantic single release)
Go-Go's | We Got the Beat | 1980 (I.R.S. single release) | 1981 (Beauty and the Beat)
R.E.M. | Radio Free Europe | 1981 (Hib-Tone single release) | 1983 (Murmur)
Thanks! I’ll go with the later years unless someone thinks differently.
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

BleuPanda wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:10 pm I think this must be one considering the seemingly obscure initial release and two of the four lists being 'best of the 2000s' - and listening to the original, the rerecording is leagues better in my personal opinion:
ANOHNI | Cripple and the Starfish | God Shave the Queen! Compilation (1996) | Antony and the Johnsons (2000)

This is actually listed as 1995 on Acclaimed Music, so I'm not sure on the original release I have listed above - I'm guessing there was a 1995 single not mentioned on the Wikipedia page.
https://www.discogs.com/Antony-Behold-T ... se/1462027
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
almo
Superunknown
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:38 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by almo »

At risk of further overcomplicating things, but, as an example, from what I can tell Nirvana's 1989 Bleach version of About a Girl and 1994 MTV Unplugged version of About a Girl both are acclaimed. This may be too difficult a question to answer for this coming update, but what's the thinking on the same act doing two acclaimed versions of one song? (This probably gets the same answer as the earlier question on remixes.)
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

Madzong wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:57 am Talk Talk - Pretty In Pink (album Version) Vs. Pretty In Pink (OST version)
I think critics refer to the original here.
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

almo wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:34 am At risk of further overcomplicating things, but, as an example, from what I can tell Nirvana's 1989 Bleach version of About a Girl and 1994 MTV Unplugged version of About a Girl both are acclaimed. This may be too difficult a question to answer for this coming update, but what's the thinking on the same act doing two acclaimed versions of one song? (This probably gets the same answer as the earlier question on remixes.)
Your assumption within brackets is right, i.e. that I think it is a good idea to list all acclaimed versions on the song pages, but I think we should save that for later.
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
Zombeels
Different Class
Posts: 320
Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:21 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Zombeels »

How about Simon & Garfunkel's The Sounds Of Silence. Originally recorded in 1964. Tom Wilson added a backing track and it was rereleased in 1966 which is the version most people are familiar with.

Also The Guess Who rerecorded "No Time" for the American Woman album 1n 1970. It was originally released on the Canned Wheat Album in 1969
panam
Full of Fire
Posts: 2691
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by panam »

León Gieco "Solo le pido a Dios" had many versions but the original is from 1978. How can I know if the original version is the acclaimed one?
Wisnu Tirta Aji
Different Class
Posts: 434
Joined: Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:42 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Wisnu Tirta Aji »

How about:
Backstreet Boys - "I Want It That Way" (Original Version) vs. "I Want It That Way" (Reimagined) vs. "I Want It That Way (No Goodbyes)"?

This one song is what I know. The original version of this mid-tempo Soft Rock ballad was written by a songwriter who surely live in European but didn't know English-language so much (American English or British English). Because the lyrics have a lot of bad grammar and Backstreet Boys' party feel that it make no sense at the time of the recording of this song, they rewrite some part that feel bad grammar including the "tell me why" part in the chorus which was changed to "no goodbyes" like the new title of this song. Unfortunately, the result was in vain. Backstreet Boys released the original bad grammar version instead as a single under the old title, "I Want It That Way", and become their biggest hit single to date, the most favorite song in their catalog by their listeners (better than "Everybody (Backstreet's Back)", "Incomplete", "Shape of My Heart" (not to be confused with the song of the same name by The Police's Sting where his melody later used in "Lucid Dreams" by Juice Wrld), and other songs), and later featured on AM. Because of its success, they re-recorded this song as "I Want It That Way" (Reimagined). However, beside the good side, there's the bad side too. The original bad grammar version get a ban then Backstreet Boys themselves finally reveal that it make no sense at all because of the misunderstanding of the song's lyrics.
Director of Top Hits and also founder of Top 500 Radio Hits of All Time, now Top 500+ and soon grown up to Top 1000+.

Coming soon:
Top 1000+ Tournament Poll

Signature:
Top 1000+ Tournament Poll is the music version of election day.
User avatar
mileswide
Full of Fire
Posts: 2526
Joined: Wed May 01, 2019 5:08 pm
Location: Nottingham, England

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by mileswide »

Henrik wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:16 am
pauldrach wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:20 am R.E.M. | Radio Free Europe | 1981 (Hib-Tone single release) | 1983 (Murmur)
Thanks! I’ll go with the later years unless someone thinks differently.
Hard to say conclusively because some sources don't appear to acknowledge the existence of two separate versions but this list outright states 1981 as the release date of their chosen recording http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/vi ... ut#p122822, whereas this Melody Maker one includes it in their 1983 singles poll (which would also be correct considering the album version was released as a single as well) http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/mmpage.html

The acclaimed version would be Hib-Tone if AM were just me!
All I got inside is vacancy!
User avatar
Madzong
Shake Some Action
Posts: 1476
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:36 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Madzong »

Nirvana - Aneurysm (b side) vs Aneurysm (live)
"On a mountain range, I'm Dr. Strange"
User avatar
Rob
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 7350
Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:53 pm
Location: Nijmegen, The Netherlands

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Rob »

Zombeels wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:50 pm How about Simon & Garfunkel's The Sounds Of Silence. Originally recorded in 1964. Tom Wilson added a backing track and it was rereleased in 1966 which is the version most people are familiar with.
I thought about this one too, but both versions have actual different titles: The Sounds of Silence for the original and The Sound of Silence for the electric one.

Moloko's Sing It Back is one that comes to mind for me. The remix is at least far better knows (even if in my opinion it is vastly inferior).
User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 6439
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Henrik »

Re-recorded albums:
N*E*R*D's "In Search Of..." 2001/2002
Car Seat Headrest's "Twin Fantasy" 2011/2018

N*E*R*D's "Rock Star", "Provider" and "Run to the Sun" will also be moved to 2002. And I think "Lapdance" as well. I suppose that the "Lapdance" single from 2001 had the first recording.

Two Car Seat Headrest songs were mentioned in a post above.
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
panam
Full of Fire
Posts: 2691
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by panam »

Rob wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:17 pm
Zombeels wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:50 pm How about Simon & Garfunkel's The Sounds Of Silence. Originally recorded in 1964. Tom Wilson added a backing track and it was rereleased in 1966 which is the version most people are familiar with.
I thought about this one too, but both versions have actual different titles: The Sounds of Silence for the original and The Sound of Silence for the electric one.

Moloko's Sing It Back is one that comes to mind for me. The remix is at least far better knows (even if in my opinion it is vastly inferior).
I like the remix version :(
panam
Full of Fire
Posts: 2691
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by panam »

Rita Indiana y Los Misterios "La hora de volvé" has two versions

2009. Only released in mp3 (and YouTube. It was taken off some years ago but I see Rita Indiana reuploaded some months ago)
2010. In "El Juidero" album and nowadays available in all streaming services.
User avatar
bonnielaurel
Keep On Movin'
Posts: 1662
Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:48 pm

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by bonnielaurel »

This is a nightmare topic for people who like to make lists of songs by year.

Clear case:
Nina Simone - Wild Is the Wind (At Town Hall, 1959) vs. Wild Is the Wind (Wild Is the Wind, 1966)

In the case below the album version is listed on AM, but I would think the long live version is at least as famous:
James Brown - It's a Man's Man's Man's World (album version, 1966) vs. It's a Man's Man's Man's World (Live at the Apollo, Volume II, 1968)
De gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum.
User avatar
Rob
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 7350
Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:53 pm
Location: Nijmegen, The Netherlands

Re: Songs where the first recording is not the acclaimed version

Post by Rob »

panam wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:19 pm
Rob wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:17 pm
Zombeels wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:50 pm How about Simon & Garfunkel's The Sounds Of Silence. Originally recorded in 1964. Tom Wilson added a backing track and it was rereleased in 1966 which is the version most people are familiar with.
I thought about this one too, but both versions have actual different titles: The Sounds of Silence for the original and The Sound of Silence for the electric one.

Moloko's Sing It Back is one that comes to mind for me. The remix is at least far better knows (even if in my opinion it is vastly inferior).
I like the remix version :(
Most people are with you, including the Moloko duo themselves. I don't particularly mind it, but the sound of the drums and the way Murphy's voice is highlighted in the original version is just stunning. It feels more original too.
Post Reply

Return to “Music, Music, Music...”