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Eligibility criteria
1. The criteria of the list cannot include sales, airplay, streams, chart peaks, "general belovedness," etc. Commercial success does not equal acclaim.
2. The list cannot be a vote where the results are determined by readers, listeners, viewers, etc.
3. While a list decided by viewer/listener/reader votes isn't considered eligible, a long list of songs/albums by the staff that the readers are expected to choose from could be eligible.
4. Any list needs to be compiled by a group of staff, taken from a book by a single author, or a list from a "very famous music critic/person".
5. For any critics' list, it is necessary to determine what albums/songs that could have made the list but didn't. If the list is about songs from a specific year, country, genre or artist gender, the information is available for each song on AM, but it is not known for e.g. moods (happy/sad/love songs).
6. Lists of the best songs by specific artists need to have more than ten songs.
7. Rankings of albums by specific artists/bands are not currently considered eligible.
These rules are meant to apply to all kinds of lists except end-of-year lists, which have some specific rules. See viewtopic.php?f=29&t=10503.
2. The list cannot be a vote where the results are determined by readers, listeners, viewers, etc.
3. While a list decided by viewer/listener/reader votes isn't considered eligible, a long list of songs/albums by the staff that the readers are expected to choose from could be eligible.
4. Any list needs to be compiled by a group of staff, taken from a book by a single author, or a list from a "very famous music critic/person".
5. For any critics' list, it is necessary to determine what albums/songs that could have made the list but didn't. If the list is about songs from a specific year, country, genre or artist gender, the information is available for each song on AM, but it is not known for e.g. moods (happy/sad/love songs).
6. Lists of the best songs by specific artists need to have more than ten songs.
7. Rankings of albums by specific artists/bands are not currently considered eligible.
These rules are meant to apply to all kinds of lists except end-of-year lists, which have some specific rules. See viewtopic.php?f=29&t=10503.
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a list from a "very famous music critic/person" is a bit confusing
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Not particularly. I’m just glad you’ve got it all laid out in front of you for the next time you look for a list! Now you’ve got something specific to refer to. You also MUST read the opening paragraphs. If you leave it with even a shred of doubt regarding eligibility, there’s no shame in not posting the list.
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I created another topic where you can post lists with questionable eligibility: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11663StevieFan13 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:21 amNot particularly. I’m just glad you’ve got it all laid out in front of you for the next time you look for a list! Now you’ve got something specific to refer to. You also MUST read the opening paragraphs. If you leave it with even a shred of doubt regarding eligibility, there’s no shame in not posting the list.
Please use this topic instead of a new topic, if you’re not convinced the list is eligible. Thanks!
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a suggestion: "a list of a "very famous person/music critic" could be a bit more objective, measuring the frequency of how much is cited/quoted. There are music critics who do not have books but are highly cited in books or/and articles by other authors or by various artists in interviews, etc.
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Henrik wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:05 pmStevieFan13 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:21 amhenrik i wanted you to check these too
IDEA 1
End of year archive should be a Subforum in Critics' lists
like Rating changes (Allmusic, Scaruffi, etc.) became Updated Lists
IDEA 2
We should make EOY archives from the starting year until 2013 like EOY 2014-2021
IDEA 3
Posts in EOY (2014-2021) EOD 2010 and Updated lists should be counted as critic's lists
Question 1
EOY list e.g. from 1980 posted in 2022 ,does it have the same weight with an EOY 1980 ? Sould these lists be merged in the excels final results of that year?
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Idea 1
Yes, I should do that
Idea 2
There are eoy spreadsheets for 2007-2013 at http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/years.htm but it might be a good idea anyhow.
Idea 3
I don’t understand
Question 1
The weight for an eoy list (or any list) is not based on when it is posted in the forum. However, a list published/created a long time after an album was released will get a higher weight for that album.
Yes, I should do that
Idea 2
There are eoy spreadsheets for 2007-2013 at http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/years.htm but it might be a good idea anyhow.
Idea 3
I don’t understand
Question 1
The weight for an eoy list (or any list) is not based on when it is posted in the forum. However, a list published/created a long time after an album was released will get a higher weight for that album.
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Idea 1 thanksHenrik wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:09 pm Idea 1
Yes, I should do that
Idea 2
There are eoy spreadsheets for 2007-2013 at http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/years.htm but it might be a good idea anyhow.
Idea 3
I don’t understand
Question 1
The weight for an eoy list (or any list) is not based on when it is posted in the forum. However, a list published/created a long time after an album was released will get a higher weight for that album.
idea 2 it would be more organized in that way
idea 3 if you see e.g. donchano's profile it says most active forum EOY 2020 and not critics lists,the same thing i think is applicable to me because i have posted 340 posts in EOY 2020 and another 200-250 to EOD 2010 and is not counted with the posts in the general critics lists
question 1 a highter weight even if its an EOY ?old eoys and new eoys e.g. for 2005 will make the same final spreadsheet? thanks
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I don't understand the criteria number 5
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The way the AM scoring works, a subset of albums/songs are defined that are ”in scope” for each critics’ list. If it’s an all-time list from 2002, then the albums before 2002 are in scope. If it’s an eoy list from 2006, then the albums from 2006 are in scope. The rest of the albums are ”blanked”. An album out of scope will then not be hurt in the same way as an album that was in scope (but not selected by the critics).
For a list of happy songs, I would need to know out of all songs on AM which ones are happy, so that the happy but not selected songs get hurt (lose score) while the not happy songs don’t lose their score. If I don’t have this information, the list becomes ineligible.
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Thats actually very right with the scope thing
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Henrik wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:17 amThe way the AM scoring works, a subset of albums/songs are defined that are ”in scope” for each critics’ list. If it’s an all-time list from 2002, then the albums before 2002 are in scope. If it’s an eoy list from 2006, then the albums from 2006 are in scope. The rest of the albums are ”blanked”. An album out of scope will then not be hurt in the same way as an album that was in scope (but not selected by the critics).
For a list of happy songs, I would need to know out of all songs on AM which ones are happy, so that the happy but not selected songs get hurt (lose score) while the not happy songs don’t lose their score. If I don’t have this information, the list becomes ineligible.
Thanks for clarify it
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A question: All the lists updates are eligible, right?
I'm going to transcribe the last version of Fast N Bulbous albums list.
I'm going to transcribe the last version of Fast N Bulbous albums list.
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Somewhere we ought to keep track of lists that have been updated since the last AM update (like a few of the CoS song rankings).
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There is a special forum section for this: viewforum.php?f=19StevieFan13 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:25 pmSomewhere we ought to keep track of lists that have been updated since the last AM update (like a few of the CoS song rankings).
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See, I know about the thread, I was thinking less of constantly-updated “halls of fame” and archives and the like and more of individual lists that have been updated to add new songs (like how a list ranking every Foo Fighters song, for instance, would now be updated to include songs from their latest album).Henrik wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:36 pmThere is a special forum section for this: viewforum.php?f=19StevieFan13 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:25 pmSomewhere we ought to keep track of lists that have been updated since the last AM update (like a few of the CoS song rankings).
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IDEA 4
What's the amount of lists in AM ? I think we should include that info in All critics' lists like TSPDT
What's the amount of lists in AM ? I think we should include that info in All critics' lists like TSPDT
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@Henrik ''Summary of earlier EOY lists to be added'' is such a mess as a topic , so my idea 2 counters it.did you understand the idea 3 btw?
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IDEA 5
All-Time should weight more than EODs should weight more than EOYs lists (this is already in use*)
IDEA 6
To expand the Albums to 5000 (henrik wants 10000*) and Songs to 15000 (and if that's difficult at first we can categorize/rank "bubbling under" songs in 2 categories like 10000 - 12500 & 12500 - 15000) [at 10000 Albums 20000 Songs would be great]
All-Time should weight more than EODs should weight more than EOYs lists (this is already in use*)
IDEA 6
To expand the Albums to 5000 (henrik wants 10000*) and Songs to 15000 (and if that's difficult at first we can categorize/rank "bubbling under" songs in 2 categories like 10000 - 12500 & 12500 - 15000) [at 10000 Albums 20000 Songs would be great]
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IDEA 7
All the genre lists albums and songs posted before 2016 , should be tracked and added maybe in one thread
All the genre lists albums and songs posted before 2016 , should be tracked and added maybe in one thread
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IDEA 8
To consider eligible 10 songs lists from Trustworthy sources , if we can tell it that way
To consider eligible 10 songs lists from Trustworthy sources , if we can tell it that way
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I don't think so. I think it's a slippery slope and it's good to have some rules in place. There are plenty of lists with over ten songs from an artist/band, we might as well focus on them instead of worrying about what we don't have, right? Just an extra headache for nothing.
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i said trustworthy sources not all of them , for example paste,rolling stone,pitchfork,treblezine and etch,i dont worry for these lists in any way , the only lists i worry is NME 500 albums/songs update...and these IDEAs are for Henrik to consider (and others too*)StevieFan13 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:26 pmI don't think so. I think it's a slippery slope and it's good to have some rules in place. There are plenty of lists with over ten songs from an artist/band, we might as well focus on them instead of worrying about what we don't have, right? Just an extra headache for nothing.
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Nowadays, best songs of an artist lists are more common than 10 years ago. Media as Rolling Stone publish a new critic list practically every week. I think the fence should be higher and except the lists updates, the new lists of the same sources are creating a disproportion between corporative media and more independent and small sources.
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I think it only feels that way cuz we haven’t had an update in so long and sources like RS and the like have gotten more prolific in their posting than before. I don’t like the disproportion either, but we don’t even know what percentage of them are even going to count towards AM. I just like that the new lists from them aren’t (just) bolstering the same old shit all the time. So I disagree, but not completely (if only cuz I’d really like to find out how many of the lists from those very sources were worth hunting down and which were a waste of time lol).panam wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:41 pm Nowadays, best songs of an artist lists are more common than 10 years ago. Media as Rolling Stone publish a new critic list practically every week. I think the fence should be higher and except the lists updates, the new lists of the same sources are creating a disproportion between corporative media and more independent and small sources.
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the more the better
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I totally disagree with expanding the Top Songs, although the Top Albums could be a little higher.
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Henrik do you have any plan on how are we going to organize all the lists for the 2024 update so they can be added?
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Henrik has not made his comment on the 2024 update when i made this comment
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IDEA 9
If anyone has any idea on how we can insert all the collected lists in the spreadsheets let us know
If anyone has any idea on how we can insert all the collected lists in the spreadsheets let us know
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a way to add new lists to these we have already added
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IDEA 10
To create for example a Red Bull (USA/Canada) - Lists of lists (thread) and to collect all the single Red Bull (USA/Canada) lists into one thread
since i can now move topics or merge and stuff...
To create for example a Red Bull (USA/Canada) - Lists of lists (thread) and to collect all the single Red Bull (USA/Canada) lists into one thread
since i can now move topics or merge and stuff...
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IDEA 11
To create a List of Lists with (Ineligible) stuff i have posted and a List of Lists with (Duplicate) stuff i have posted (or posted by others*)
To create a List of Lists with (Ineligible) stuff i have posted and a List of Lists with (Duplicate) stuff i have posted (or posted by others*)
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IDEA 12
A Topic with published Books and e-books
A Topic with published Books and e-books
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IDEA 13
We have in EOD 2010 2 topics from the same source one for albums one for songs ,we can merge them as EOYs
We have in EOD 2010 2 topics from the same source one for albums one for songs ,we can merge them as EOYs
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IDEA 14
Poll creations ins't that useful because we make polls in Music, music, music...
and Films, movies, motion pictures... so we can move the topics and erase it
Poll creations ins't that useful because we make polls in Music, music, music...
and Films, movies, motion pictures... so we can move the topics and erase it
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IDEA 15
Single critic lists for All-Time and Decade lists or in general big lists should be investigated more ..
Single critic lists for All-Time and Decade lists or in general big lists should be investigated more ..
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IDEA 16
To Chnage the Graphic Design of the Site
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IDEA 17
Critics' lists -> Critics' Lists better
Critics' lists -> Critics' Lists better
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IDEA 18
Since all the New subforums are with CAPS , Updated Lists should be TOO
Since all the New subforums are with CAPS , Updated Lists should be TOO
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Films, Movies, Motion Pictures... can be named CINEMA instead of OFF-TOPIC since TSPDT don't have a forum in it's site
Films, Movies, Motion Pictures... can be named CINEMA instead of OFF-TOPIC since TSPDT don't have a forum in it's site
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The official topic for eligibility criteria is here now:
https://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/v ... hp?t=13954
https://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/v ... hp?t=13954
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and where this thread will go?Henrik wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:01 pm The official topic for eligibility criteria is here now:
https://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/v ... hp?t=13954
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I think I’ll just keep it here.VacantJoy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:02 pmand where this thread will go?Henrik wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:01 pm The official topic for eligibility criteria is here now:
https://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/v ... hp?t=13954
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IDEA 20
In the CRITIC'S LIST'S Companion , we have included sources that are not linked to anywhere and they are written with black letters instead of blue , we can start adding the links to them!
In the CRITIC'S LIST'S Companion , we have included sources that are not linked to anywhere and they are written with black letters instead of blue , we can start adding the links to them!
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