Eligibility criteria for EOY Lists

[Holden]

These are the criteria to determine whether a new source is eligible for the EOY albums/songs spreadsheet.

1. At similarweb.com, either the rank should be within the top 1,000,000 or the number of rererring websites should be more than 100. Printed magazines that are devoted to music are always eligible.

2. It should be clear that the list was compiled by several people (minimum three) from the staff, or represents the whole staff somehow.

3. The source needs to publish at least 10 album reviews per month, and not just recommendations with a couple of sentences per album.

4. A radio or TV channel is eligible if it is a "main station" of a country (typically a public broadcasting service with a focus on music). The staff team requirement needs to be fulfilled but not the number of reviews.

5. No record stores.

6. No genre lists from non-genre publications. Printed magazines that are devoted to music are always eligible.

[VacantJoy]

i just want to let you know that last year you didn't follow the rules of EOY because there are a lot of mistakes

[Holden]

i just want to let you know that last year you didn't follow the rules of EOY because there are a lot of mistakes

Feel free to takeover any of these list responsibilities or let me know what you mean by mistakes.

[VacantJoy]

first of all i am thankful for your hard work

i will try my best to guide and help with the sources

some notable mistakes with a first glance
https://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/v ... hp?t=14713
its not only a record store https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vinyl_Factory

https://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/v ... 95#p200295

edit: i saw that you mentioned the Grammys , we dont include ''Awards and Prizes'' in ''Years'' from now on ,

in addition the are forgotten lists like songs from a source, forgotten sources and etch its not you fault obviously

for more mistakes i need to re examine the sources of the EOY 2023...

[Holden]

Any mistakenly excluded 2023 sources can be discussed individually in those threads when the 2024 list is released. If Henrik has a complete list of previous years missed lists, I’ll be happy to add them at some point if he requests it.

I will remove the Grammys from the sources list if it’s been decided that there’s a new way of categorizing.

And just going to be honest here; this will be the fifth time I’ve done this collection. It’s kind of demoralizing that the immediate response is that I’ve made nebulous mistakes in the past, and this is the response pretty much every year, if someone else thinks they can do a better job or wants to, feel free, and otherwise let’s keep our feedback constructive and specific.

[panam]

Any mistakenly excluded 2023 sources can be discussed individually in those threads when the 2024 list is released. If Henrik has a complete list of previous years missed lists, I’ll be happy to add them at some point if he requests it.

I will remove the Grammys from the sources list if it’s been decided that there’s a new way of categorizing.

Forgive me for butting in, but it makes no sense. You have been using these sources for years and Henrik has accepted it. If it is a matter of semantic definitions, Vacantjoy may be right, but to eliminate the awards as sources seems to me to be a step backwards in the only way to update the annual panorama of acclaimed music.

[VacantJoy]

holden everybody does mistakes and its normal , i have done a lot ,Henrik has done a lot ... you know that i am not an ''effort ruiner'' and thats why i have thanked you a lot of times and i appreciate your hard work or i went to transcribe the ''2 mentioned
sources'' and moved them from ineligible to EOY 2023, the reason i mentioned the mistakes was to help fix them ...

''and this is the response pretty much every year,'' i know about this because i have experienced it myself but as you see i have always tried to to keep our feedback constructive and specific so i dont think i belong in this category but i am rather a victim of it too ...

panam as i have already told you ,we dont eliminate the awards and prizes as sources but we wont include them with EOYs,
there are a lot of awards and prizes that have been omitted all these years but noone tried to fix this... if anyone wants to make the spreadsheets for the awards and prizes its a different matter

[panam]

At first I thought you just wanted to separate the awards from the lists section because awards are not lists and after understanding your point i agree it is much more orderly.

But now you say that they should not be used as annual sources because there were years where they were omitted. Rather, instead of going back and removing sources for lack of additions, we should continue to include them. For years I have fought to have these omissions corrected and I understand that it is work, but I do not believe that the solution is to simply stop using them as a annual source. It does not make sense to me, and we return again to the problem of leaving out acclaimed music.

[VacantJoy]

At first I thought you just wanted to separate the awards from the lists section because awards are not lists and after understanding your point i agree it is much more orderly.

But now you say that they should not be used as annual sources because there were years where they were omitted. Rather, instead of going back and removing sources for lack of additions, we should continue to include them. For years I have fought to have these omissions corrected and I understand that it is work, but I do not believe that the solution is to simply stop using them as a annual source. It does not make sense to me, and we return again to the problem of leaving out acclaimed music.

At first I thought you just wanted to separate the awards from the lists section because awards are not lists and after understanding your point i agree it is much more orderly.


Thats what we have decided ! We will add all the eligible awards and prizes and all the years that have been omitted , not only grammys ,latin grammys ,brit awards and etch ... and not posted as a single EOY topic like this https://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/v ... 51#p200051
In that way we are more organized so somone can make spreadsheets and we have the complete sources posted ordered and clean!

[panam]

I think we are not understanding each other but we are on the same page: I am only talking about the spreadsheet that Holden or another forum member can make. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't use the awards as a source but as you say that source should be in another thread. Is that what you are referring to as well?

[Harold]

I think we are not understanding each other but we are on the same page: I am only talking about the spreadsheet that Holden or another forum member can make. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't use the awards as a source but as you say that source should be in another thread. Is that what you are referring to as well?

My understanding, based on this thread and my posting of this year's Grammy nominations last week, is that the awards will still be a source for the AM database, but will no longer be part of the EOY spreadsheet.

[panam]

I think we are not understanding each other but we are on the same page: I am only talking about the spreadsheet that Holden or another forum member can make. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't use the awards as a source but as you say that source should be in another thread. Is that what you are referring to as well?

My understanding, based on this thread and my posting of this year's Grammy nominations last week, is that the awards will still be a source for the AM database, but will no longer be part of the EOY spreadsheet.

From what I understood it's that the EOY spreadsheet to appear under the title Lists & Awards EOY. And the awards sources to be in a separate thread. Because there is no other reason for their exclusion from the EOY.

[andyd1010]

Holden, I just wanted to chime in to say these lists are what I look forward to the most every year on this site, and I hugely appreciate your work on them, and the work of everyone else who puts them together. You've done a fantastic job with these in the past and I'm looking forward to what you compile this year. You've been an immense contributor in making this one of my favorite websites on the internet.

[Harold]

Holden, I want to echo andy's remarks above. I know from firsthand experience what a daunting task it is to compile and maintain the EOY spreadsheet, and you do an outstanding job.

[Holden]

Thank you both for your kind words! They mean a lot

On the topic of Grammy Awards, separating them from year end lists feels reasonable enough to me; there's many other awards that likely should have been on the past few lists. So I will exclude them given we have a new section called Awards and Prizes.

I think it's important to note (based solely on my current understanding of how the main list works) that the spreadsheet as it appears, with the scores and stuff, is more for fun than for use in the AM List. You'll notice if you go back to a year like 2017, where many albums/songs were added that only appeared on EOY lists, that the albums/songs do not appear in the exact order they did on the spreadsheet. Henrik's algorithm/program is based on comparisons, not the scores as they appear on the sheet, so removing the Grammys from said spreadsheet (whose impact on the spreadsheet as it appears is unbelievably negligible) will not affect the album/songs rankings on the final site. If I'm wrong, Henrik can feel free to correct me, but otherwise that explains my thoughts on the subject.

[Henrik]

I want to second what andyd1010 and Harold said above. Holden, without the eoy sheets that you’ve done such an amazing work on through the years, I wouldn’t be able to do more AM updates. So a big big thanks for that and that you are willing to do it for 2024 too.

Of course, everyone else’s contributions are deeply appreciated too!

As for awards and prizes, yes they now have their own subforum, but I’ve never said that they will not be included in the eoy spreadsheets. It’s much easier for me to include them on AM if they are in a spreadsheet, so I’ll be pleased if you want to keep them in.

I’m sorry for stepping in here late. It’s been a lot of other stuff going on in my life lately, but I hope I will get the AM energy back soon.

[Holden]

As for awards and prizes, yes they now have their own subforum, but I’ve never said that they will not be included in the eoy spreadsheets. It’s much easier for me to include them on AM if they are in a spreadsheet, so I’ll be pleased if you want to keep them in.

Noted, I will add them back in! No problem, thanks for letting us know.